Doing 1,000 Miles In 24 Hours

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Dan Wagoner 08/14/2001
Just read your article about "1000 miles in 24 hours". Your opinion that you averaged 350 miles per day on an extended trip made you not want to see another m/c for a week puts you (imho) in a minority category. I'm glad that you are able to know your limits, but to extend your limits to others, and to assume that others are limited to the same statue as yourself would put all of us in the same category. I may not have the experience that you do, I've only been riding 41 years, but to suggest that anything over 350 miles in a day, along with your stated fact that to average 45 MPH then one must exceed 70 MPH is incorrect, at best. I don't recall any information mentioned about stamina, road conditions, type of motorcycle being ridden, experience, or, in my opinion, the main factor, weather. Riding in 70* weather is much more pleasant than riding in 100* degree weather. I live in east Texas, and if I head west during the early summer, a 600-700 mile day to Raton, NM, or Trinidad, Co. is the norm. On the return trip, it is a 1 1/2 day ride. This difference being that I leave in the early morning hours (cool temps) and am in the high country (cooler temps) before the day gets so hot. The return trip is just the opposite. I am in the heat in the hottest part of the day. I have never set out to do an Iron Butt. I have ridden an 800 mile day just for the joy of it. Of course I was on a Honda Valkyrie cruiser. A friend of mine rides a H.D., and a 250 mile day just wears him out. Riding to Red River, NM, is out for him because it is hard 3 day trip for him on his Harley. On a Wing or Valkyrie or any large, comfortable cruiser, it is an all day ride, about 12 hours.

One thing I've learned about riding, is that that is no "norm". My cousin is 62, and as far as endurance and skill, can ride rings around my 55 year old arse. I do thank you for your opinions, and I do enjoy reading them. Also, thanks for inviting contrary opinions. :o) Dan Wagoner

Joe Divar 10/27/99
James,

Having just read your "Doing 1,000 in 24 hours" article, I have to take issue with the majority of it's content, or at least it's intent. Riding 1,000 miles in 24 is no more "stupid" than jogging 10 miles in a day. A lot of people do it. I personally think the self-flogging exercise of long-distance running is nightmarish and bad for your skeletal system. The key is, "I think". Some people enjoy running and some don't. Many can run and do actually enjoy running, I don't. James, you don't enjoy or can't ride 1,000 miles in 24 hours. Since I don't know which, I won't submit to name calling or pointing fingers as some of the other respondents have.

This past fall I accomplished not one, but two 1,000 mile in 24 hour runs in a six day period. All safely and without duress. Not only did I manage to do that, but also qualified for 1,500 miles in 36 hours as well. All this on a sportbike, the VFR750. What's the point? Well, why ride a motorcycle? Because I enjoyed the challenge. I do agree that not all people can accomplish this. Not all people are built to run a marathon either. My riding partner for this event managed to scare me twice. Having nearly run himself off the road and into a ditch due to reduced situational awareness and a fatigued mind and body. After he had reached this point, I was still "relatively" fresh. But I am me. If not for the cold weather, I could have done another 1,000 the next day. Again, that's me and not you, him or any other Joe Public motorcyclist. I am not better, worse, or more skilled, just built differently. So don't be "The Man" and attempt to disseminate your opinions as fact. No matter how valid and sound they might be, they are still your opinions. The tone of your article expresses an air of informed authority. I don't know what the "Master Strategy Group" stands for or it's mission. But that further ads to the air of authority and validity.

My compliments though for publishing letters that challenge your opinions and at times completely opposite of your articles. There's always two sides to a story, right?

Joe D.
'95 VFR750
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Mark Johnson 7/27/98
I just found your "opinion" about the 1000 in 24 rides.

Your article would be much more accurate if you had simply fessed up to the fact that YOU can't do it and therefore you firmly believe that no one should attempt to do it. Averaging 42 miles and hour is easy. This includes stopping for fuel every 120 miles (as posted speed limits), a 1 hour rest stop after 500 miles, a 2 hour rest stop 300 miles after that, and periodic 30 minute-or-less stretch breaks - and that resulted in a 1070 mile "day" in 21 hours. Remembering what you wrote would lead the reader to think that 2 back-to-back 600 mile days would be insurmountable without endangering every matron and infant in the community. However a trip from Dallas to Kansas City, MO and back was reasonable and by no means risky.

It seems obvious, as with other "opinions" on your site, that your personal experience is the boundary in which the world should be contained. A great example is your reference to "studies" to support your position. Your efforts to diffuse some of the abrasiveness of your post by giving a nod to the IBA for their efforts at safety awareness and faint praise in deed when you weigh it against the more substantial statements like "nobody" being able to do such a thing safely and people acting in a "stupid" manner. Please note that no safety-related death has ever occurred in an IBA rally. The entire long distance community (not just IBA) preaches that everyone is to ride their own ride and know their own limits. It's better to call off a ride 5 miles from completion than to not come home because you should have checked into a motel.

This is the Internet and everyone is allowed to post their personal biases as they see fit. However it's always best to identify those personal prejudices as such so that casual readers will understand that you are not speaking for a position of knowledge or authority.

 

Michael Gasper 4/09/97
I found the vast majority of your Tips and Techniques to be entertaining in a much the same way a bathroom wall joke is entertaining. Most certainly you personally lack the years of experience and miles on your butt that one would need to be able to have such opinions about motorcycle riding. The one area that I personally had a problem with was your comments relating to long-distance endurance riding, such as the 1000 mile in 24 hour scenario. Obviously you simply do not have the personal endurance or stamina to be able to safely ride that time and/or distance. I have safely completed many 1500 mile in 24 hour endurance rides. I have more than 1.3 million miles (documented) on my butt riding motorcycles, and can very easily ride 1000 miles a day for 20 or 30 days straight, without getting tired or weary. There are some people in this world that can do that. You speak of your knowledge of the Iron Butt Association, but obviously you do not have first hand experience with the riders or membership of the IBA, and you most certainly must have been rejected by the IBA for your failed attempts at long-distance riding. That's too bad, but don't whine to the motorcycling public. Those of us that are proud members of the IBA certainly are happy that you are not amoungst our ranks. The Iron Butt Rally has never had a death during the Rally. That one fact states that the riders of the IBA are vastly experienced and far more prepared that you can ever conceive of being. I would suggest to you that your opinions about endurance riding should be left out of the pages of this on-line service, so that nothing drastic happens to your future riding abilities. You go ahead and putt around on your Honda Helix and ride 250 miles each day. Just remember that another "REAL" rider, Ed Otto, rode a Honda Helix in the 1995 Iron Butt Rally, and finished, having completed almost 10,000 miles in under 11 days. Your sorry ass couldn't even think of doing that. I have already ridden more miles this year, 1997, than you will for the entire year of 1997. Maybe you should stick to reading about motorcycle rides, and not continue to write about them.
 

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