Some People Probably Should Not

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Richard LeMesurier 02/24/02
Hi, James

 I love this site still (yup, sent you email before about the importance of learning to ride on a scrambler!)... Got to make another comment on your tips. 

See, I am a male and I am under 30 and my bikes are my only transport...(can you feel what's coming?) So to comment on your curmudgeon's point of view (please put this with the other comments): I agree with you. I agree with all those categories of person who shouldn't ride bikes. But I qualify that agreement - I believe you are making a blanket generalization and knowing it. I believe that generalization is a very useful tool, and if someone doesn't understand the REAL POINT behind that article, then they need to lose the chip on their shoulder (there are those other 2 disagreeing comments that I think just missed the point). I believe every rule has exceptions, but there needs to be a rule first. Maybe a lot of us are exceptions and we should be riding, but I think that it requires a lot of insight into your own heart. 

Basically anyone with a temper is going to get hurt. The one time I have dropped my road bike was cos I was so annoyed at the guy who cut me off that I jammed on the hooter and in doing so lost control. Almost happened a second time, but I rescued the bike. I have a new rule: if someone annoys me on the road, then I must just get away from them (faster or slower matters not - just clear them). Cos by being near them, I am in danger of losing temper, and then I will get hurt. I know that younger folks, and particularly guys have the tendency to do stupid things on a bike. Was the gist of the article not just to warn us all against acting like a dumb kid? 

Anyway, hopefully you can edit this reply and put it on the comments page, cos I think it makes sense and might help the other younger riders who were offended understand a bit more of the severe repercussions of acting "young, dumb, and full of cum" (please excuse that rudeness, but I think the quote sums things up). 

Cheers Ric 
25 yrs old Cape Town South Africa 
'83 Honda XL500R 
'89 Honda VFR400R NC24

Erik Spaan 02/22/00
I live in the Netherlands and am 25 years of age.

Since a few years we have new regulations on motorcycle drivers licenses. Before these new regulations everyone above 18 could get a drivers license and buy any sort of bike he/she liked, including, for example, hayabusas.

The new regulations state, however, that everyone under 23 gets a drivers license for a bike with a maximum of 25 kW power. Above 23 people can choose whether they will take driving lessons for the small license or for the big license.

If you start with a small license then after a year the license will transfer into a big license. Although people under 23 will probably not like these new regulations, I think it is a good idea. I'm driving a Triumph sprint 900 now, after having had a Honda nighthawk 650, and the bike is powerfull enough to get into trouble if you don't pay attention.

Greetings,
Erik Spaan

Robert Tayloe 03/13/98
Overall, I enjoyed reading your articles and, in general, I agree with most of the points that you are trying to make. However, I feel compelled to comment on your admittedly tongue-in-cheek commentary on who should ride motorcycles.

You indicate that riders of both sexes should be over the age of thirty before riding. Clearly the insurance companies side with you in assigning higher premiums for younger (particularly unmarried male) riders. I will submit that older folks tend to be more mature and act more responsibly than younger folks.

I was fortunate in being able to save my lawn-cutting and paper route money and buy a dirt bike at age 14. I was lucky also in having nearby woods in which to ride. My crashes, and there were many, were of very low consequence. I was able to develop skills and coordination riding in the dirt that were extremely beneficial when I purchased a street bike at age 17.

My street bike had a displacement of 350 cc and a top speed of 85 mph. My only crash on the street occurred shortly after getting that bike and I was hotdogging it (pretending I was Kenny Roberts hanging off while turning). Fortunately I was only going about 30 mph and was not hurt.

The frightening thing is that today a small bike is considered to have around 600 cc and some of these can go 150 mph. I'm glad I didn't have such a bike when I was 18.

Thus, as a modification on your assertion on limiting riders to those over the age of 30, I would propose that young (or beginning) riders begin off-road where consequences of crashing are low. Further, I would restrict young riders to bikes of a more limited displacement (say 350 cc). I would also make it mandatory for rider training, similar to Driver's Ed taken by most high school students. Refresher training and skills demonstration should also be mandatory (for car and motorcycle drivers).

Thanks for letting me express my view.

-- Ride Safely

Rob Tayloe

Columbus, Ohio

 

Joel Looper 04/28/96
[This time I present both a reader's opinion (in italics) and my response to it - the Devil made me do it. JRD]

You felt compelled to say: I have been around the world, twice. I have seen some things I wish I had never seen. I have also seen things that made me extremely glad to be alive. I have been poor and homeless.I have been lucky enough to know whats its like to have enough money to buy just about whatever I wanted and have a warm, safe place to call home. I have seen death and life, and learned to accept both. But narrow minded people like you who think that people like me, 23 years old and just married should not ride, still manage to piss me off. You sir, are a victim of the same mindset that you claim to dislike. You have put a stereotypical label on a group of people that you obviously do not respect or understand. Maybe I'll grow up someday and learn to just ignore people like you. Maybe when I turn 30 years old. Or maybe I will just keep riding, regardless of what people like you think.
First, you might have noticed that the subtitle of the article was "A curmudgeon's point of view". The substance of the article was self-discounting until the very end at which point it turned serious. But it pulled your trigger, obviously, before you got that far.

Second, your self-pumping diatribe served only to demonstrate that you have a short fuse. A problem that, when you are out on the road on two-wheels, WILL get you killed.

Next, you may wish to ignore reality, or feel that *YOU* are 'different' than the rest, but motorcycle accidents and deaths are HUGELY disproportionately weighted towards youth. Wonder why?

Finally, when you grow up you just might mellow enough to realize when a situation presents itself to you that you cannot win so that you do not waste your effort trying. For you to take issue with that article automatically makes it self-fulfilling. Had you been 50 years old and stood tall for your 23 year old son, there would be credibility and a reader's belief that *that* 23 year old was different. But to pat yourself on the back and insist that you are 'pissed off' because of what the article said, implying that just because you are young does not mean that you are automatically so immature as to get pissed off at something as trivial as a spoof message - also implying that if a car were to crowd you in a lane that driver would be very lucky if you did not happen to be carrying a gun -- well, you see what I mean.

What actually disturbed me about your post is that you are otherwise articulate and can handle the language reasonably well. THAT is rather unique with your generation. So, you ARE different. But not by much.

 

Lotito, Rocco 05/08/97
There is alot of good advice in your articles, I was enjoying them up until the point you started giving advice on who should ride, such as newly married people, such as myself, and also people under the age of 30, such as myself . I thought you were very intelligent up until this point, from there on I lost respect for you, you gave alot of good advice, you should keep your advice related to motorcycles and stop trying to decide who should be riding motorcycles. I love to ride and would encourage anyone who showed some responsibility for their actions. It's a shame, you seem to have alot of knowledge of the sport, and there is no substitute for experience, too bad your attitude toward younger riders sucks.

 

Jim Standley 04/28/96
Gregory, it's been a decade (plus) since I last saw 30, but I couldn't agree more with your assessment of the original post. It was one of the more blatantly arrogant messages I've seen here so far.

 

 

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