en-us Wed, 16 May 2012 16:45:20 -0500 ATM@msgroup.org 60 All Things (Safety Oriented) Motorcycle http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/ All Things (Safety Oriented) Motorcycle for Guest http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/ http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/rss_32.png All Things (Safety Oriented) Motorcycle RSS Feed 144 47 Campfire chat - Devil's Ridestaticattichttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14018Campfire chat Wed, 16 May 2012 15:58:21 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14018
I went to the Discovery store online to look at the Laffing Devil merchandise: http://store2.discovery.com/the-dev..._devils-ride

It's kind of interesting that the merchandise online only bares the name of the show rather than the name of the MC club, but then again, I guess in order to wear the name of the club, someone has to be "patched."

Here's an article by the Bikers for Christ which shows the 2 clubs together:
http://www.bikersforchrist.org/news...er%20%20.pdf

]]>Campfire chat - I can hear the excuse nowgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14017&REPLY_ID=128844Campfire chat Wed, 16 May 2012 08:16:10 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14017 Lots more money then brains, however he is not alone. Check these out and be sure to sign up for "Wrecked Exotic Car of the Week"

http://wreckedexotics.com/]]>Campfire chat - TV News report.Axiom2000http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14016&REPLY_ID=128843Campfire chat Wed, 16 May 2012 03:33:23 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14016 Apparently the report was filmed during both an MSF class and an RE Class. It appears she was a participant in the MSF class while on a Rebel. Then, for some reason, someone decided to put her on a Sportster for that shot, be it an 883 or a 1200, it was way too much machine. Thankfully she had the presence of mind to keep the clutch squeezed when she went down as she rolled on the throttle a good bit while going over. If she would have released it, the results could have been much worse. I agree other than the misinformation the piece was well done.]]>General Discussion - Threshold BrakingJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13990&REPLY_ID=128837General Discussion Tue, 15 May 2012 16:23:20 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13990 I will try this one more time.

If you are able to do a quick stop from 20 MPH in 17 feet, you are averaging a deceleration rate of 0.8g's and you MUST have reached a deceleration rate of more than 1.0g's if your squeeze time is, say, 0.5 seconds.



If you use the exact same squeeze time and braking pressure to do a quick stop from ANY speed greater than 20 MPH, you will achieve an average deceleration rate greater than 0.8g's. For example from 60 MPH you would achieve an average rate of almost 0.95g's - and it would FEEL exactly the same as your practice sessions, and your maximum deceleration rate would not be any different - it would be a FREE improvement in stopping performance to the rider.



That is all I've said - and consistently so.

Practicing an average 0.8g quick stop is practicing at 80% of your maximum deceleration rate which is close to 80% of what your average deceleration rate would be if you attempt a quick stop using the SAME squeeze time and braking pressure from high speeds.

There is NO NEED whatsoever to practice reaching a deceleration rate that causes a skid!

Hope that helps. If anything I've written here is wrong, in your opinion, or if anything I've written here simply doesn't make sense to you, I'll be glad to try to correct that problem. However, an argument from you that sounds like: "yeah, but..." is unacceptable behavior from you from now on.]]>Contrary Opinions - Turning causes leaning?shaddixhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11979&REPLY_ID=128826Contrary Opinions Tue, 15 May 2012 13:58:42 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11979
quote:
Originally posted by DataDan

quote:
Originally posted by shaddix

I did something interesting yesterday! I turned the bars ever so slightly to the left around 30mph and held them there fixed in position. The bike leaned to the right ever so slowly and continued to lean to the right to the point where I nearly fell. I had to turn the bars to the right to keep from dropping the bike.

My bars turning to the left was extremely slight, probably not more than 2 degrees, how come gyroscopic precession did not keep the bike upright as I was falling over? It couldn't have been enough front wheel turn to overwhelm that force could it?

What is sometimes called "gyroscopic precession" is really a torque produced by changing angular momentum. When you turn the handlebars on a motorcycle, the change to front wheel angular momentum is in its direction. Steering a little bit to the left produces a torque that leans the bike a little bit to the right. But the lean torque is produced only while steer angle is changing. So holding that steer angle does not continue to produce lean torque since angular momentum is no longer changing.

But never mind that. The concept that explains your experiment is centrifugal force. In your car, if you make a sharp left turn, the dog in the back seat slides to the right. You, too, feel the force tossing you to the right, though the seat and belts keep you in place.

Same deal on a motorcycle. Steer to the left and the motorcycle tries to turn to the left. But in doing so, centrifugal force pushes the weight of the machine to the right. Since it is balanced on two tires in line with each other--rather than four forming a nice, stable rectangle--it leans very easily to the right in response to even a small steering input to the left. Continue to hold that steer angle, and centrifugal force continues to act on the mass of the motorcycle, leaning it further to the right.

In normal turning, what arrests the lean motion--so you don't lean over to the 90-degree limit imposed by the pavement--is the front wheel steering back to the right due to "trail". Because the point of tire contact is aft of the steering axis, leaning to the right tends to steer the front wheel to the right. That stops the bike from leaning further and coaxes it into a right turn.


Makes perfect sense thank you sir!]]>Campfire chat - All of Earth's waterradan2http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14015&REPLY_ID=128821Campfire chat Tue, 15 May 2012 11:04:00 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14015 The best analogy I have ever heard about the hydrosphere is this:

Take a regulation basketball and dunk it in a pool. then hold it up and let the excess water drain off. The thin film of water that remains is approximately proportional to the thin layer of oceans, rivers, glaciers, and lakes on the surface of the earth.

Your graphic made the same point in a very comprehensible way.]]>Motorcycle Accident Reports - WITH COMMENTS - Poor reporting leads to false conclusionDataDanhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14013&REPLY_ID=128819Motorcycle Accident Reports - WITH COMMENTS Mon, 14 May 2012 23:17:06 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14013
quote:
Originally posted by Robus

It isn't going to be the paper's star investigative reporter who writes up traffic accidents, is it?

Not at the New York Times, Post, or Daily News. But small-town papers, especially independent ones, often do an excellent job of reporting stories that a big-city paper would ignore if possible, and butcher if not.

I found this account a few years ago and kept it as an example of clear, thorough reporting of a motorcycle incident. It's from the local paper in Harvard, MA (a small town 30 miles from the university, which is in Cambridge). I've snipped the names of the people involved.

The two motorcyclists were headed northbound on the road at about 3:30 p.m. They'd just crossed through Still River and were headed up to the scenic overlook in the general direction of Route 2 when one biker riding closer to the outside shoulder of the road put on his blinker to turn left to pull onto the gravel parking area at the overlook.

The second motorcyclist, apparently not seeing that his friend had his turn signal on, allegedly sped up between his friend and the yellow line. The second motorcyclist then tried to pass his friend on the left-hand side in the same lane while his friend was simultaneously turning left. Instead of passing one another, the two collided.

The lesser of the two injuries was the first man who was trying to turn to park. He was identified as [snipped]. After the collision, [he] fell off to the side of Prospect Hill Road after falling off his red Ducati motorcycle. He was sitting up, conscious and alert before being transported to Emerson Hospital in Concord.

The more severely injured was identified as the passing motorcyclist, [snipped], who was driving his KTM road motorcycle. To immobilize his neck and avoid added trauma, EMTs opted to tape his motorcycle helmet to the backboard instead of trying to remove it for transport. [He] was briefly knocked unconscious, but awoke before he was carried away by a cadre of Harvard and Ayer paramedics and EMTs for transport by Harvard ambulance down the road to await the arrival of a MedFlight helicopter.

I emailed the reporter complimenting her on the superb article, and she sent me a gracious reply.]]>General Discussion - No training / before there was training.boondogglehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13976&REPLY_ID=128817General Discussion Mon, 14 May 2012 17:57:30 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13976 I enjoyed all of these stories, so I am going to add mine to the stack...

Thanks for making me feel "young" and perhaps a bit less stupid. In the late 70's, my dad bought my older brother a Honda 90 basket case and proceeded to fix it up. Fortunately, my older brother had no interest in the motorcycle, so I graduated from my mini-bike to his 90. I have/had a crazy cousin that helped me figure out shifting, clutching, brakes, etc., which was the extent of my training. When I left for college in 1981, my motorcycle riding ended.

Fast-forward to 1993, I was working in Milwaukee during Harley's 90th anniversary party. Seeing all the cool bikes and people I made a promise to myself that if I was in riding distance of Milwaukee, I would have my very own Harley and ride in the parade for the 100th anniversary.

In 1999, living in Iowa now and looking for something fun to do, a co-worker said that we should all buy motorcycles and tour the countryside in our time off, which rekindled my interest in motorcycling. My dad rode Harley's just before and after he served in the Army during WWII, not because they were cool, but because they were the only mode of transportation that he could afford, so my choices were limited to Harleys and...Harles which I freely admit are not the safest "beginner" bike. After a couple attempts, I found a Harley dealer that was way too accommodating and purchased a 1997 Sporster 1200 custom. I haven't sat on a motorcycle for almost 20 years, but somehow managed to ride it 60 miles back home; only stalled it twice getting out of the dealer's parking lot.

For almost 2 years I rode all around the area, "learning" as I went, putting on almost 10,000 miles doing so. I attempted to get my motorcycle license and failed the road test, which prompted me to take the MSF safety class, my first formal training, and learned that most of my riding "skills" were so wrong. With the training, I managed to pass the test and get my license. With my new found knowledge and the desire to take longer trips, I ordered a 2002 Softail Night Train, my dream bike. I picked up Vera in the Spring of 2002 and signed up for the advanced MSF class right away, best money ever spent. I never would have thought I could get that big ol' bike to maneuver through that course, but the teachers were very patient and showed us how.

That Fall I rode my Harley back home to show her off to Dad, a few months before he passed away. When he saw us for the first time he said something along the lines of, "Nice ride, glad you knew what kind of bike to buy", and then proceeded to instruct me how it was safest to ride 10 feet behind a semi during a rain storm, helmets block your vision, leather gear is too expensive, gloves limit your feel, and etc. Good Lord, how did Dad survive? Fortunately, Dad also had his private pilots license and his favorite saying was, "There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but there are very few old/bold pilots", which I incorporated into my motorcycle riding experience.

Since then, I have ridden all over the USA and Canada and had a blast. I know that I don't have all of the experience that a lot of you have had, have ridden less miles, and on fewer bikes, but with my guardian angel and some wise old sayings, I have live and enjoyed riding. That said, whenever anyone asks me about learning to ride a motorcycle, the first thing that I recommend is to take the first MSF riding course available, get yourself a good full-face helmet and gear, and buy a used, small bike to ride on after you take the class.

Boondoggle Bill]]>Campfire chat - Nissan Ads - Promote Hunting Motorcycle RidersCrtrTylrhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14012&REPLY_ID=128816Campfire chat Mon, 14 May 2012 17:47:37 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14012 That was weird, all I can say about it.]]>General Discussion - I need a couple of badly damaged helmetsscottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14014&REPLY_ID=128815General Discussion Mon, 14 May 2012 17:35:30 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14014 I wish I could help on this. The only helmet that I ever damaged in a crash was sent to the insurance company, then they sent me a check for the entire cost of a new replacement helmet (which I had already purchased - they needed the receipt too).

I've donated some worn out helmets to the local police and fire departments. I can send you a nice photo of my crash damaged helmet. If you don't get anyone willing to donate, I could possibly track down a crash damaged helmet locally. Or maybe I could "damage" one of my old helmets with the appropriate scrape marks and send to you. [:)]]]>Campfire chat - Nissan Juke vs motorcycles in commercialJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13576&REPLY_ID=128812Campfire chat Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:32 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13576 In case you think they have ignored our input, here is what Nissan sent to me after they received my e-mail:

quote:
Thank you for contacting Nissan North America, Inc.

We've heard your concerns regarding the Juke Trophy digital video, and pulled it immediately. We sincerely apologize that our creative direction missed the mark. Nissan promotes sharing the road with all riders and drivers and does not condone reckless behavior.
]]>General Discussion - Demo Truck experiencescottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13991&REPLY_ID=128807General Discussion Mon, 14 May 2012 08:51:26 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13991
quote:
Originally posted by kacinpa

These demo days, where you can try out different bikes essentially back - to -back seems to me an ideal way to sort out what bike is right for you. It has pointed out to me that the bike you THINK you want above all other, doesn't necessarily turn out to be the actual bike you like best.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Demo rides have changed my opinion on a number of bikes. Some that I thought I liked I didn't like after riding them. Others that I had no opinion on I liked very much after a ride.

You can use me for one data point as a person who bought a bike specifically because of the experience from the demo ride. That's what convinced me to buy my KTM.]]>Sharing of Lessons Learned - Highway sweeping left turnsgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14008&REPLY_ID=128805Sharing of Lessons Learned Sun, 13 May 2012 21:50:58 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14008 If you can find an area where you can lay out some paint markings cut tennis balls, 1/4 filled soda cans (with water so wind does not blow them around) and lay out a figure 8 with 50 foot radius turns at each end and practice the pattern over and over again, your proficiency and confidence should be greatly enhanced, start out at about 15 MPH and gradually increase speed as you gain confidence. The counter steering practice as you transition from left turn to right turn will give you a chance to improve your feel for steering your bike. Run five figure eights in one direction and give it a rest for a minute or two and run five figure eights in the opposite direction for a change of scenery. About five repetitions per session per day and five to ten sessions gradually increasing your speed but not so mush as to drag or touch parts to the ground should establish a good level of basic skill. Varying the radius layout on one end of the figure eight will bring some braking before the turn into play.]]>General Discussion - Helmet vs. bikekacinpahttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14010&REPLY_ID=128803General Discussion Sun, 13 May 2012 15:51:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14010 I fully understand your concern over that bike for a new rider, even someone who rode for years and is coming back from a hiatus. I sat on one of those at the local dealer a couple weeks ago and I think that is too big a step up up for me for certain. And that's just the size of the thing, the power is another mater entirely!

As to the helmet, stuff like this is why I LOVE the local dealer here for helmets and accessories. They don't push any brands (and I know BMW dealers who immediately start pushing Schuberth helmets) and once you think you've decided they will STRONGLY suggest that you spend at least 30 - 45 minutes walking around the dealership with the helmet on to see if any "hot spots" show up.

They always caution that you shouldn't be sold on a helmet you haven't given a good audition. They get a lot of people in buying second helmets because ones that have purchased on line just don't fit, even though they are the "right size".]]>General Discussion - Biker Arrested for Allegedly Going 170 MPH on NYS ThruwayJanKhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13993&REPLY_ID=128798General Discussion Sun, 13 May 2012 06:09:14 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13993 A nice warning video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VruWHHEnZGw]]>Sharing of Lessons Learned - Reminiscing and going over problemNight Trainhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14009&REPLY_ID=128796Sharing of Lessons Learned Sun, 13 May 2012 02:32:09 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14009 Perhaps the faster speed took you out of your "comfort zone" and caused you to over think what you were doing. The principles of counter steering work at all speeds over 10mph. I rode for years before coming to an understanding of counter steering. I learned I had always been employing it without realizing it. Once I learned about it, I understood it more clearly. I've only had to consciously increase the counter steer on a couple of occasions when I entered a turn too hot. Otherwise, counter steering was simply an automatic and fluid motion in the riding of the bike.

The beauty of riding a V twin is that simply rolling off the throttle will reduce your speed quite adequately when you find yourself caught in those sweeping turns that don't allow you to look all the way through.

The important thing to consider is to ride within your comfort zone. If circumstances take you out of it, get back into it as soon as possible. If your normal riding continues to challenge your comfort zone, you will need more practice in that area to expand your zone.]]>Technical/Maintenance - Shadow VLX600 Batterygreywolfhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13938&REPLY_ID=128792Technical/Maintenance Sat, 12 May 2012 15:32:29 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13938
quote:
Originally posted by Sonnie

1. Bike off: 13.x volts
2. Bike on: dropped steadily down to about 12.3v, and stayed there
3. Bike running on idle: varied, but didn't drop below 12v, and didn't go over high 13v.
4. Opening throttle: didn't hit over 14.3-5 ish volts
5. Did another re-check for any frayed or exposed wiring, still nothing.
1. Surface charge. That will drop a bit in normal use.
2. It's under load and discharging. That's fine.
3. Typical.
4. If you mean it topped out over 14V and never went over 14.8V, that's good too.
5. I'm pretty sure you got a bad battery last time. Your charging system seems to be working well.]]>General Discussion - Tire conditionJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14006&REPLY_ID=128790General Discussion Sat, 12 May 2012 13:56:21 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14006
quote:
I probably will ride it in as I dont have to go all that far.


I agree with Scott and Gymnast - it looks like the tread is separating.

If you do actually ride on it, please keep your speed way down - I wouldn't ride faster than 30 MPH on it, if that, and only if I had no choice in the matter.

Nice catch! Bravo!!]]>Sharing of Lessons Learned - First time riding in the rain for a while.rkfirehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14000&REPLY_ID=128786Sharing of Lessons Learned Sat, 12 May 2012 09:39:12 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14000 Thanks Scott. I'll try some pledge. I do have a spare visor, that got some scratches. I could try the rainx on it, since it's pretty much garbage now anyway.

My helmet was like brand new at the time, and a friend laid it on the seat and it fell off into gravel...grrrr. The visor got it the worst.]]>General Discussion - How to choose side to lean?James R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14003&REPLY_ID=128778General Discussion Fri, 11 May 2012 15:07:48 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14003 Almost.

If you can touch the ground with both feet, use both feet. Neither of them has to be flat on the ground if the bike is vertical.

If you can only touch with one foot, use one foot and make it flat if possible.

If the bike is leaning, use one foot and make it flat on the ground.]]>Humor ... the lighter side - New German I Pad Applicationgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14007Humor ... the lighter side Fri, 11 May 2012 15:05:37 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14007 http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6a8Eimr-fm0]]>General Discussion - Really?SkootchNChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14001&REPLY_ID=128767General Discussion Fri, 11 May 2012 12:55:35 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14001
quote:
Originally posted by bricksrheavy

quote:
Originally posted by SkootchNC

would you take driving tips...... from a person who had wrecked several cars?

Not sure what you're aiming at? I was just giving examples of some of the bad advice I received during the past couple of months since I started riding. The point of my post was, do exactly like Mikeydude did; "Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it."

Basically... what "Mikeydude" said.
I've had folks come up to me with similar stories.... I just smile, and let them go on..... I don't debate them... in fact I don't reply any more than is needed to remail "polite".
]]>The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum - WWII P40 found in desert 70 years after crashing..Night Trainhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14005&REPLY_ID=128758The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum Fri, 11 May 2012 05:42:22 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14005 Quite a remarkable and interesting story. Thanks for sharing.]]>Humor ... the lighter side - Either way, it's badCash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14004Humor ... the lighter side Thu, 10 May 2012 22:46:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14004
"Mrs. Sanders, please."

"Speaking."

"Mrs. Sanders, this is Doctor Jones at Saint Agnes Laboratory, and I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I have bad news. When your husband's doctor sent his biopsy to the lab last week, a biopsy from another Mr. Sanders arrived as well. We're not sure which one belongs to your husband. Frankly, either way the results are not good."

"What do you mean?" Mrs. Sanders is suddenly nervous.

"Well, one of the specimens tested positive for Alzheimer's and the other one tested positive for HIV. We can't tell which is which."

"That's dreadful! Can you do the test again?" Mrs. Sanders asks.

"Normally we could, but Medicare pays for expensive tests like this only once."

"Well, what am I supposed to do?"

"The Medicare Help Desk recommended that you drop your husband off somewhere in the middle of town. If he finds his way home, don't sleep with him."
]]>The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum - Gun Talk (was Beretta Fire Arms)Halaphttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13882&REPLY_ID=128747The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum Thu, 10 May 2012 15:36:10 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13882
quote:
Originally posted by gymnast

Halap, what you have in that illustration is considered a "short barreled rifle" and subject to federal regulation. Failure to comply with the Federal regulations pertaining to short barreled rifles is a Federal Felony Offense. That is a really neat "stocked Glock" and I sure would like to have one if I legally could without going through the Federal Tax Stamp hassle. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...31103AA5KVvL

Lots of people around these parts have weapons with suppressors, really nice to have, however the stamp hassle is not worth the time effort and $200 tax stamp along with the $400-$1000 supressor cost to me. http://www.impactguns.com/brand-awc...ressors.aspx


I should have mentioned that this item is subject to the 1934 laws. Thanks for the great catch Gymnast. Unfortunately due to our arcane laws (interstate bootleggers armed with Tommy guns aren't exactly a problem these days) you have to get a $200 federal stamp with the accompanying federal proctological examination before you can purchase it. But its really not as much of a hassle as it is time consuming... and we want our toys right now!!! [:-(][:-(][:-(][:-(][:-(][:-(][:-(][:-(]
]]>The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum - I wonder what the chances are of this turning left in front of youDaddiohttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=14002&REPLY_ID=128746The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum Thu, 10 May 2012 14:51:27 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14002 How would you assign liability in the event of an accident? Would the manufacturer assume liability or the "occupant/driver"?]]>Technical/Maintenance - Drive Shaft: What would happen if...SkootchNChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13949&REPLY_ID=128740Technical/Maintenance Thu, 10 May 2012 11:00:36 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13949 go to the "home page"
select contact http://www.msgroup.org/contact.aspx
There are links to email both James and Cash]]>Contrary Opinions - Putting it in neutral at stop lightsscottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=1331&REPLY_ID=128738Contrary Opinions Thu, 10 May 2012 10:10:36 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1331
quote:
Originally posted by DannyC

There is more to it than just a clunk into gear. There is all the drive line snatch that goes with it.

When you clunk it into gear the first gear takes the hit and transmits that to all the driveline - all the way back to the big sprocket.

Its all that "mass in motion" that is associated with the shift into 1st that I don't like.

Next time you shift into first from neutral look at your chain - it jumps. Something has to make it jump.
The force on my chain from shifting into first gear from neutral is insignificant compared to the power pulses from a large single cylinder four-stroke engine or a 100 horsepower V-twin.

You're not going to convince me to start worrying this. [8D]]]>Campfire chat - From the department of bad ideas....staticattichttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13997&REPLY_ID=128726Campfire chat Wed, 09 May 2012 21:26:32 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13997 moto soccer:

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/3...r-believe-it]]>Sharing of Lessons Learned - PLP vital after even a brief hiatusDannyChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13717&REPLY_ID=128712Sharing of Lessons Learned Wed, 09 May 2012 14:58:17 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13717 Thanks

I hope to also.

As far as the brakes "go", I think just a simple application, many times over, will clean them up just fine. No sanding, grinding, wire wheeling, or even wiping is necessary.

Actually I like it when my Jeep stops "on a dime". But it is usually just the first few times then all the "stuff" on the rotors is gone, then it is back to normal breaking.
]]>Contrary Opinions - Are rear brake upgrades really beneficial?James R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=1256&REPLY_ID=128707Contrary Opinions Wed, 09 May 2012 14:10:44 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1256
quote:
... as I can start stopping faster with my foot than my hand,


While that *might* be true for you, it is not generally true for the vast majority of riders.]]>General Discussion - Traction Demand model is now availableJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13999General Discussion Wed, 09 May 2012 14:05:48 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13999
It is available here.]]>Roadcraft - Differences Motorcycle vs. TrikeDannyChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11074&REPLY_ID=128706Roadcraft Wed, 09 May 2012 13:27:21 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11074 Personally I don't see the advantage of 3 wheels.

You have all the negativity of a bike - rain, wind, heat, noise, fumes, bugs, must act like a car and drive like a car, etc. and none of the advantages of one. You can't even get the same "feel".

It also would be cheaper to buy a small sports car and just put the top down, then up when needed. If you buy an old sports car, MG, Triumph, etc, they are fun to drive and you have to tinker to own (not a lot but some).

Just putting in my two cents - as I've thought about this and that is the conclusion I've come up with.]]>Sharing of Lessons Learned - "Road Closed. Local Traffic Only" really means thatSkootchNChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13994&REPLY_ID=128690Sharing of Lessons Learned Tue, 08 May 2012 13:37:27 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13994
quote:
Originally posted by staticattic

I figured I could squeeze through the barrels, ride the 20 yards or so down the closed section of the road, then squeeze through the barrels on the other side. That would put me WAY ahead of traffic. Since there was no one working, I figured no harm, no foul.


Not only is it dangerous (for you as well as the workers) you might be subjected to a very stiff penalty. Not a very wise move on your part.

Thankfully... you made the mistake in broad daylight. If you had the same idea at night.... the outcome might have been very different]]>General Discussion - Yet another model is availableJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13996General Discussion Tue, 08 May 2012 13:36:58 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13996
That model is available here.]]>Technical/Maintenance - One thing after another....Halaphttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13977&REPLY_ID=128682Technical/Maintenance Tue, 08 May 2012 08:10:01 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13977
quote:
Originally posted by Nightwatchman

quote:
Originally posted by Halap

...and I just can't resist:
"Never eat in a place called Mom's, play poker with a man named Pops, ...or maintain a motorcycle at a place named Mike's"

[;)][;)][;)]


Haha clever!

This place that I go is a little place... doesn't even have a waiting room. It's like a warehouse garage in a large automotive complex. The owner has over 30 years experience riding and working on motorcycles and has certification from several manufacturers. I am really pleased with his work. I just had a new chain put on... He pulled the new chain out of the box. It was the only one he had for my Shadow... it was gold. I bought it anyway, and now my scoot is all blinged out with a gold chain. Lol.


Dead Sexay!
...and an excellent way to increase your hipster cred
[:D][:D][:D]]]>The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum - More Money Than Brains?gymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13992The Get Your Motor Running Chat Forum Mon, 07 May 2012 09:49:37 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13992
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newph...8-4611.shtml]]>Motorcycle Accident Reports - WITH COMMENTS - Motorcycle Accident on I-4staticattichttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13988&REPLY_ID=128653Motorcycle Accident Reports - WITH COMMENTS Sat, 05 May 2012 20:31:12 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13988
quote:
Originally posted by Robus

Pavement is a harsh teacher.


Indeed it is. I don't know exactly what happened in this particular incident, so I figured letting the picture do all of the talking was the better option. Apparently he went down and slid a ways while the bike continued on, flipping over and smashing the barrier a few times, shedding parts of the bike along the way. Without having all of the facts, I didn't feel I could really offer very much in the form of what could have happened differently to prevent the accident.

For me, this picture solidifies exactly why I choose to wear motorcycle overpants and leather jacket and gloves every time I ride. As the temperatures get higher, ditching the overpants, leather jacket, and switching to a long sleeve polo shirt or buttoned shirt would be much more comfortable, but then I see things like this and I totally forget that idea.]]>Motorcycle Accident Reports - WITH COMMENTS - Sometimes a cyclist is in the wrong place at the wrong timerayg50http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13987&REPLY_ID=128652Motorcycle Accident Reports - WITH COMMENTS Sat, 05 May 2012 20:17:13 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13987
quote:
not a lot of info in the story
I don't know about that. We know exactly what everyone is going to have to pay to repair their vehicles. [:(]

I guess it was less trouble to check with a repair shop then to really pursue the injury information. I won't even go into a rant about what reporting has become. Those of you that have been around this earth a while already know what I would say.

]]>Humor ... the lighter side - Sinko De Mayogymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13989Humor ... the lighter side Sat, 05 May 2012 15:29:42 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13989

Most people don't know that back in 1912 Hellman's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the "Titanic" was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after New York City.

Mexicans were crazy about the stuff.

The Mexican people were eagerly awaiting delivery and were disconsolate("desperados") at the loss. So much so that they declared a national day of mourning which they still observe today.

It is known, of course, as ...sinko de Mayo.


And just to even things up a bit,

Recently, Germany conducted some scientific exploration involving their best scientists. Core drilling samples of earth were taken to a depth of 50m and during the core examinations, small pieces of copper were discovered. After running many arduous tests on these samples, the German government announced that the ancient Germans 25,000 years ago had a nationwide telephone network. Naturally, the British government was not that easily impressed. So they ordered their own scientists to take their core samples at a depth of 100m. From these samples, they found small pieces of glass and soon announced that the ancient Brits 35,000 years ago already had a nationwide optical fibre network. Irish scientists were outraged. So immediately after this announcement, they ordered their scientist to take samples at a depth of 200m but found absolutely nothing. They concluded that the ancient Irish 55,000 years ago were an even more advanced civilisation, as they already had a mobile telephone network in place.]]>Campfire chat - Harley Davidsons Float?Night Trainhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13982&REPLY_ID=128642Campfire chat Fri, 04 May 2012 21:42:27 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13982 Gymnast, I think before this is over there will be a multitude of interesting stories of what is yet to make it's way across the Pacific as a result of the Tsunami. It is difficult to comprehend the magnitude of the damage and debris that was washed away from that event. It has been reported that the Pacific shipping lanes will have to be explored to determine the build up of debris in those areas and other possible navigational hazards yet to be discovered. It has been predicted that the west coasts of Canada and the US will be inundated with debris for the foreseeable future.

Unfortunately, unless they make a documentary of it, we will not hear a lot of these stories once they no longer become trendy for the main stream media. The Concordia cruise ship capsizing is an ongoing saga that will continue until all bodies have been recovered the remains of the ship removed from it's present location. I would imagine there is a wealth of stories yet to be told yet there hasn't been any update in the mainstream media for some time now. Personally, I like to follow major stories from beginning to end however, to accomplish that requires much research and patience. [:)]]]>General Discussion - New Motorcycle Safety Advert in Victoria Australia, what's your take?rkfirehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13978&REPLY_ID=128639General Discussion Fri, 04 May 2012 09:53:44 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13978 I've looked through the TAC's videos, and watched quite a few. They have some motorcycle, some drunk driving, distracted and tired driving, and quite a few to encourage slowing down.

They make a point, but others such as a tractor trailer pulling across the road and 2 cars hit it, but at 5 kph difference in speed. The result has the 60 kph car hitting the trailer at 5 kph, and the 65 kph hits it at 32 kph. Another has a small child on a big wheel riding out from a driveway onto a road, and gets hit by a car. They suggest that 5 kph slower might have stopped before hitting the child.

In the context of this thread, there could rightfully be outrage at truck drivers pulling out onto roadways when there wasn't adequate space. There should be outrage to parents that aren't keeping 5 year olds off the streets. Another unsupervised kid chasing a dog got hit as well..

BUT, their message is that slowing down 5 kph can make a difference. Stuff happens, people make mistakes, slowing down even a little can make a big difference. I see no harm in the message. I don't think in light of the same message to car drivers any singling out towards motorcyclists.]]>General Discussion - ABS questionRobsalvvhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13705&REPLY_ID=128634General Discussion Thu, 03 May 2012 21:42:43 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13705
quote:
Originally posted by DataDan
...but only 2 of the 17 could have been prevented by ABS because the rest were in curves??? I'm skeptical.

I missed this earlier.

Standard two channel ABS systems that only measure wheel speed, are highly problematic for braking issues when leaned over.

It's taken some serious grunt power and sophisticated complexity as shown in the very latest applications on flagship bikes, to deal with the complexities of braking while leaning. It took Honda a system that adds 20+ pounds to a bike. It's taken BMW, Ducati and Kawasaki to closely integrate the traction control and ABS systems to be able to achieve it. The Kawasaki system is reportedly the least best of the three.

The comment in the study is highly relevant. Bike ABS broadly speaking, is a bike vertical, assisted braking safety device.




]]>General Discussion - Motorcycle friendly barriers in Europewoonjashttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13986General Discussion Thu, 03 May 2012 16:19:01 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACcbWJCVWq0

barriers]]>Humor ... the lighter side - safest bike in the worldTonicBIAhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13985&REPLY_ID=128622Humor ... the lighter side Thu, 03 May 2012 06:07:06 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13985 Nah the safest is my kz1000... it hasn't run in years! [88]]]>Campfire chat - Returning US Soldiers Have Trouble With Road Rulesstaticattichttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13980&REPLY_ID=128614Campfire chat Wed, 02 May 2012 17:10:36 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13980 I can speak to this with experience. While driving in Qatar, Iraq, and Afghanistan, it almost seemed I needed to "unlearn" the rules for US driving. First, lanes over there are merely suggestions. People make their own lanes. If a vehicle can squeeze in, it's going to come in. Lane splitting in an SUV is nerve racking at first, but it's the law of the land and expected. Also over there, people seem to have no patience. No one will let you out or let you over. Drivers kind of just push their way into traffic. Waiting for an opportunity just causes horn blowing from the people behind you. One thing that was cool, big trucks will move over, almost completely into the emergency lane to let the cars pass. Passing trucks on exit and entry ramps was really nice.

Qatar was the most "normal" of the group, but still stressful. Qatar does have posted speed limits and speed cameras set up to catch speeders. Iraq and Afghanistan on the other hand, the object was to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible and in one piece. The trick in Afghanistan and Iraq was always having an "out" by never allowing your vehicle to get boxed in. Kind of hard when people are just driving all over the place. I was riding in a convoy once from Bagram to Kabul when a guy on a motorcycle squeezed by us trying to look in our windows. He then proceeded to get in our convoy line and slow down, like he was trying to separate us. Not a fun situation.

I'm digressing. The point I am trying to make, after a few months of driving over there, it is hard to come home and "let go." Every time, my wife gets on me a few times about my speed and squeezing past other cars. I just go over there for a few months at a time. Someone deploying for a year or two, that must be incredibly difficult to flip the switch from hostile driving mode to normal driving mode. On the other hand, when deploying it is a little difficult to go back to hostile driving mode. I'm on my way back to Kabul in August. As many times as I have been over there, one would think I would be a pro at going back and forth between hostile driving mode and normal driving mode.]]>General Discussion - Danger to overinflated tyres?SkootchNChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13981&REPLY_ID=128613General Discussion Wed, 02 May 2012 14:23:59 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13981 there may be different definitions of "over inflated".

The tag on a motorcycle, pertains to the OEM tire, and a compromise of handling, comfort, and load. This is based on the maker of the bike, and will often have a note in the owner's manual, giving a (slightly)higher reading, for heavier loads.

then you have a MAX pressure on the tire side wall. While one MAY exceed the owner's manual reccomendation... NEVER ever exceed the max pressure writen on the tire side wall]]>General Discussion - New model is now availableJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13984General Discussion Wed, 02 May 2012 11:07:31 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13984
To that end I have created and made available to everyone a simple calculator which is available here.



The following graphic shows the concepts.



If it takes 0.7 seconds of squeeze time to reach your maximum rate of deceleration when you are moving at 30 MPH, and it you average a deceleration rate of 0.7g's until you stop, then you had to have reached a maximum rate of deceleration of 1.0g's.]]>Squeeze Time Effect On Max Deceleration - Squeeze Time Effect On Max Deceleration RateJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13983Squeeze Time Effect On Max Deceleration Wed, 02 May 2012 10:36:11 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13983 SqueezeTineToMaxDecel.xls

]]>General Discussion - Thanks to James and everybody here...Mikeydudehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13959&REPLY_ID=128603General Discussion Tue, 01 May 2012 16:07:53 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13959 Out today cruizing another set of twisties and came around the curve just in time to see another deer crossing the road. I was going slow enough that I was a good diostance away from her, and I was covering the controls and watching for them... it was another non-issue. As soon as she saw me she went bonkers and tried to fly, but it didn't work and she fell onto the pavement. She jumped up and vanished into the woods. I was riding with someone today and stopped to chat about what just happened. He didn't even see her at all. I also wanted to stop to make sure that she was alone in there. She was.

I'm finding that expecting a problem, even when there isn't one, and having a plan in place sure makes for a happier ride. I am very grateful for this site and all that it's taught me.]]>