*All Things Motorcycle* - Campfire chat

en-us Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:21:36 -0500 ATM@msgroup.org 60 *All Things Motorcycle* - Campfire chat http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/ *All Things Motorcycle* for Guest http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/ http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/rss_32.png *All Things Motorcycle* RSS Feed 144 47 Campfire chat - Torque vs horsepower vs accelerationJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12199&REPLY_ID=117202Campfire chat Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:42:16 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12199 It's curious to me that though you clearly have a mathematical and engineering perspective of physics, you would claim

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Given the weight of the bike(M) and the horsepower(F),
you can integrate F=MA ...

F, as I'm sure you know, stands for Force in that equation.
Torque is a force while Horsepower is not.

Of course you can rearrange and integrate formulas, and if you ignore cause and effect relationships, can conclude that work causes acceleration -- but do you believe it?

My guess is that you believe that force is what causes movement (or acceleration) of mass, and as a result, work.

HP is not a force. It does not CAUSE the movement of mass.
]]>Campfire chat - I'm going to try out ABS for a whilebachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12233&REPLY_ID=117168Campfire chat Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:55:08 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12233
Congrats on the new bike ! I went to my first race day at a track north of my home on Sunday. KTM seemed to rule the races on the pavement. Nice looking colors and graphics too.

Sounds like you know better than rushing to spirited riding. Amen.

~brian]]>Campfire chat - NC Bike Bash 2010Woofhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12222&REPLY_ID=117098Campfire chat Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:42:27 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12222 Thanks for posting these, Jim. The SV needs a chain, I had mowing (baling) to do, and several other excuses for not attending Saturday. It looks like it was successful, so maybe I'll attend next year. I'm glad you clarified that the folks in pic 4 were stunters--I thought it was a drag race gone fairly wrong when I first saw it.]]>Campfire chat - Strange, beautiful, and scaryradan2http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12225&REPLY_ID=117081Campfire chat Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:13:32 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12225 The pictures are absolutely amazing!]]>Campfire chat - Brings back some nice memoriesscottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12212&REPLY_ID=116975Campfire chat Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:54:27 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12212 While on the subject of memories, here's an interesting video from the 60's showing their version of ATGATT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQrcgXOky70]]>Campfire chat - NHTSA funded motorcycle only check pointsgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12158&REPLY_ID=116950Campfire chat Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:37:52 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12158 At the least, these "Motorcycle Check Points" are another example of governments inability to allocate resources effectively. If such checkpoints were indeed productive in reducing crashes, state and local police authorities would employ them through their own initiative rather than their being dependent on Federal Funds and paying officers overtime to man the checkpoints.

The primary objective of such activity seems to be the generation of press releases whereby politicians and bureaucrats attempt to "show activity". Additional, it is a rather overt demonstration of the governmental authority and police power designed more to encourage "submission" rather than voluntary compliance.]]>Campfire chat - I'm beginning to see a pattern herebachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12201&REPLY_ID=116869Campfire chat Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:08:12 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12201
Planning is a big part of safe and secure but I wonder if some spontaneity would keep things from coming up at the last inconvenient moments. At least this also will not cancel the ride.

Probably better the brake pedal toe than the shifter toe with the frequency of use and the push down/nudge up actions.
Enjoy the trip !

~brian]]>Campfire chat - Mandated crash standardsgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12198Campfire chat Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:43:24 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12198 http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/video%...ught-on-tape
]]>Campfire chat - "I'd like to get a bike but..."rkfirehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12181&REPLY_ID=116766Campfire chat Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:45:51 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12181

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Originally posted by D R

I met on elderly, retired fireman in a store one time while I was dressed in my riding gear. He mentioned how they in the fire department referred to motorcycle riders as "organ donors". I went into a discussion about riding with safety gear vs. no safety gear, and squidly behavior vs. proper safe riding. It completely changed his demeanor about the conversation.

He'd be exaggerating. I've heard that expression, but more from EMS folks. Plenty of firefighters are motorcyclists, and cops too. They've also got the Red Knights group, like the cops have the Blue Knights.

It would be foolish for a firefighter, with a career in one of the most dangerous jobs to call motorcyclists as organ donors.]]>Campfire chat - If this were close by, would you try it?Cash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12177&REPLY_ID=116755Campfire chat Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:36:18 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12177 I was going for a theoretical argument, didn't mean to start a real one. [;^)] No harm, no foul.

Cash]]>Campfire chat - Motorcycle for a first "car?"Cash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12167&REPLY_ID=116624Campfire chat Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:12:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12167 As far as the wrenching goes, even though I started very late and have limited capabilities, it still gives me a big grin to get something put back together and see that there's no left-over parts on the ground. [:I]

This is one of the arguments for buying an older, used bike to start with. They give you a reason to track problems down. [(#)]

Cash]]>Campfire chat - The conundrum of onebachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12171&REPLY_ID=116563Campfire chat Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:18:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12171

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Originally posted by scottrnelson

I can't figure out if you're trying to justify buying more bikes or downsizing to a 250.

Lord willing and the cash creek flowing, I probably would indulge in a couple of bike additions. Of course , the prerequisite would be my time available to enjoy riding them or let others.
Ownership alone, fixing and stumbling over them in my garage is of no interest to me. I'm a proponent of driving vehicles regularly or I find that often, they sit and waste away becoming a money pit and maintenance vampire.

For the most part, my campfire chat was just that ... thinking aloud and reflecting on the fact that (after some confusion) what with all the cool bikes out there, I'm more than content with my bike and not just settling for something. It's just taken me a few years to learn this. Having one bike isn't really the conundrum I thought it was.
My mention of the 250 cc bikes is just a plug for those that have them since I've recently seen much written about them and all very favorable.

As to my point or any justification; I think many times, the limits I place on something (real or imagined) become the justification for getting something different. The Thruxton has roughly the same gusto my present bike has and a similar ride position now that I have a lower bar. I can't justify a $10k purchase so my bike will look like a Thruxton.
I would however, consider an even trade. [:)]

~brian

]]>Campfire chat - Ahhh...Love on the Road....Scamperhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12163&REPLY_ID=116522Campfire chat Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:03:54 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12163 Yeah, but who thought it would crash and burn so fast?[;)]

I hope the guys are ok.]]>Campfire chat - Forward Looking InfraRed - coming on your next bike?Cash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12138&REPLY_ID=116466Campfire chat Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:03:20 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12138 I agree, and I think I'll look for one, right after I get that hood-mounted rocket launcher for rush hour. [8D]

Cash]]>Campfire chat - Hoka Heyscottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11906&REPLY_ID=116403Campfire chat Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:21:12 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11906

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Originally posted by Scamper

...Jim Durham says that next year's event will take place between San Diego and Nova Scotia and will involve 3 countries. What the heck? I didn't know Quebec had seceded--or is it one of the states in between? :)

They only have to go south about 20 miles from San Diego to enter Mexico. That could be the third country.]]>Campfire chat - All Things Motorcycle in the newsJames R. Davishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12120&REPLY_ID=116356Campfire chat Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:26:48 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12120 There are LOTS of riders, particularly those on cruisers, who are afraid to use their front brakes, as they incorrectly believe that any bike can do a stoppie when they over-use the front brake and it may, thus, toss them over their handlebars.

I remind you that a large percentage of riders have never taken a formal riding class where they could have learned the realities about their brakes and braking skills and techniques.]]>Campfire chat - State Police BlogspotCaptCrashhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12124Campfire chat Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:44:34 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12124
http://idahostatepolice.blogspot.com/

But it's interesting to me to stop and peruse the Idaho State Police Blogspot on a Monday morning. It gives a pretty clear picture of what happened over the weekend on state roads and highways.]]>Campfire chat - The not so good Shepherd...radan2http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12102&REPLY_ID=116271Campfire chat Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:16:50 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12102 One of the reasons to use the bike as a shield is that it makes you appear bigger. As a previous poster has said, if it is a lightweight bicycle, you can use it as a shield.

When I am cycling, I wear a whistle around my neck. If it does not deter the dog, it will at least attract the attention of others. You can also use a bicycle air pump or water bottle as a hand weapon, if you do not carry a pocketknife.

A number of years ago, a Marine on a bike was attacked by a dog. He shoved his boot down the dog's throat, then used his knife to kill him. The owner of the dog actually sued the Marine! The Marine counter-sued and won.]]>Campfire chat - Blue CJ750Cash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12105&REPLY_ID=116118Campfire chat Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:22:44 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12105 This is stunning! Thanks for posting it.

Cash]]>Campfire chat - Safety tips from Sonny Bargerhaithabuhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12002&REPLY_ID=116102Campfire chat Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:53:07 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12002 I find it gratifying to have started such an active thread, though I have contributed to it only peripherally.

It's interesting to read the disparate reactions here to Sonny Barger's advice and character. The differences come down to whether you can separate the two. As for myself, I hold to my father's wise counsel: "You can learn from anyone. Even a fool has something of value to share if you will only listen."]]>Campfire chat - "Target Fixation" StoryDonryuhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12079&REPLY_ID=115880Campfire chat Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:55:14 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12079

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Originally posted by Cash Anthony

In terms of target fixation, you don't need a second threat if you run into the thing you're looking at.

I absolutely do agree, not much good to be worried about threat number two or three if number one did the job.

I guess I was trying to get at what I'm perceiving as maybe a "trailing" threat from target fixation. Where a rider may tend to either be busy congratulating themselves for avoiding a threat, or recovering from avoiding a threat and miss the next threat in their path because they're fixated on the aftermath of the previous target. If it makes sense the way I'm explaining it.]]>Campfire chat - How did you tell your partner you were buying a bike?Alabusahttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10557&REPLY_ID=115792Campfire chat Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:49:38 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10557 My wife told me which one to buy![:D]

We actually went to look at and ride a Connie 14 but the wife didn't like it. She asked owner if he had a new Busa(09) and he said yep a black one still in the crate. When he opened the crate she looked at me and said "Buy that bike". I am a good husband and do as I am told!!]]>Campfire chat - Firefighting Beemersrkfirehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12068&REPLY_ID=115770Campfire chat Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:35:33 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12068 It's not plain water, it is a foam mixture.

Living in an OSHA state (states which adopted OSHA rules for public employees, we'd never be able to fight a car fire with: a. 1 person, b. that small a hose or water supply.

It can be a problem to show up to an incident with not enough help, and the wrong type of equipment. The firefighter is likely to try to do something, because of urgency or because he's surrounded by bystanders. Imagine having that motorcycle and the fire is beyond it's ability.]]>Campfire chat - What is this?SkootchNChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12046&REPLY_ID=115682Campfire chat Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:52:41 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12046 or??? he moonlights as a moto-pizza delivery guy.

now, I'm just being silly......]]>Campfire chat - Crystal MomentsNightwatchmanhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12029&REPLY_ID=115468Campfire chat Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:40:01 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12029 The Place: Santa Fe Dr. from Castle Rock to Littleton
The Gear: 3/4 Helmet with goggles, and full leather
The Time: 23:45

I'm sure that if you've been on this little stretch of road leading from Castle Rock through Sedalia to Littleton at night you know what I'm talking about. I can have this crystal moment any time.

It was a cool night, and there was slight humidity in the air. My leathers keeping me warm, it was pleasant to feel the cool air caressing my face. Off to my left a Bob Ross - like scene of the rockies graced by moonlight... the sound of coyotes howling off in the distance and the gentle rumble of the far off coal train. I felt as though I was part of the scenery, absorbed by the natural beauty. No cars on the road... just me, Ryoko, and the cool lovely night.]]>Campfire chat - Adaptive headlights on BMWsIndiana Randyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12018&REPLY_ID=115348Campfire chat Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:43:38 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12018 The roving/aiming headlight plus being brighter is impressive.

When it comes to the engine I ask WHY?

Peak power claims are 160 horsepower at 7500 rpm and 129 lb-ft of torque at 5000 rpm. And that ample torque will churn out quick, with BMW promising 70% of peak at 1500 rpm.

This engine is bigger and nearly twice the power as the engine in my Miata. I race the Miata (yesterday actually) and it has plenty of power at twice the weight. Is there no end to this power/weight ratio insanity?]]>Campfire chat - What was he doing to have missed that?Donryuhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11563&REPLY_ID=115261Campfire chat Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:20:07 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11563

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After listening to the driver's explanation, I couldn't help but think...Didn't Jeff Foxworthy warn us about people like him? [?]

Here's your sign! [88]]]>Campfire chat - The Purist .. ?radan2http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11804&REPLY_ID=115235Campfire chat Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:25:49 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11804

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Originally posted by bachman1961

quote:
Originally posted by Night Train

You're not alone Brian.[:)] Your post aptly describes my point of view as well. I like the title "purist" as it sounds better than the one my grandson gave me .... Dinosaur [88]

he he he he, thanks for that ! I'm better now. [8D]

Please tell me you don't call your own cell phone to make sure it's working ... (and don't even ask where I came up with that idea).

~b

Then, of course, you do not use synthetic oil?

(I knew I could make it an oil thread if I tried hard enough. Now how can we work in hose clamps?)]]>Campfire chat - There's nothing more broken than a broken motorcycle.greywolfhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11958&REPLY_ID=115210Campfire chat Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:22:51 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11958 As if the previous stuff wasn't long enough.....
Torquing a nut involves two forces, friction and bolt(axle) stretch. If the threads are lubricated, more of the force goes into stretching the bolt so less torque is needed to achieve to proper amount of stretch. Though fastener failure can happen by way of thread problems, bolt breakage is another possibility and happens most often with hardened fasteners commonly used on motorcycles. Torque values are set to get the proper amount of stretch so the force the stretched bolt exerts on the nut is enough to keep it from coming loose but not enough to break the bolt or strip/gall the threads. When torquing a nut, it is best to move the wrench smartly to the desired setting. You want to be setting the nut using dynamic friction rather than the higher static friction. Different anti seize compounds have different degrees of lubrication properties. The 30 year old tube I have is Moly based and lubricates much better than copper based stuff. I think the 58lb-ft I determined for V-Strom axles will work fine for any anti-seize formula. The dry spec is too high to begin with for a castellated nut IMHO.]]>Campfire chat - Mechanical insights;kacinpahttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12000&REPLY_ID=115207Campfire chat Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:46:28 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12000 There is a huge benefit to being able to perform your own maintenance and repairs at some level. Simply having enough knowledge to tell when a repair shop is feeding you a line of BS is beneficial.

I consider myself lucky that I had the father that I did. He was an auto mechanic and insisted that all of us (myself and my 3 sisters) knew enough about cars to do our own minor upkeep and repairs. Of course, being the only boy I got quite a bit more experience through immersion than my sisters. All three of them got functioning cars when they got their licenses...I got non functioning one at age 15 and was told I had a year to make it road worthy.

Most neighborhoods conatin a few folks who are knowelgable about various aspects or repairs and maitenance, of you vehicles or stuff in your home. I helped the mason down the street change the ball joints on his pick-up and he helped me re-do the slate on my front porch and walkway.

We all need to stick together out there! I realize the professionals need to make a living as well, but there are things that we can do ourselves that they really have to "overcharge" for in order to be profitable. A Brake job is a good example of this.]]>Campfire chat - New Ridebzippihttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11990&REPLY_ID=115119Campfire chat Sun, 04 Jul 2010 08:40:59 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11990 Thanks for the nice comments and advice.

I have been looking for a while, and I wanted to find a new bike before my kids got to college age and my disposable income evaporates. [V]

Even though I know better, I was in a position that I didn't have much choice but to ride the bike home from the dealer. Fortunately, I spotted a large parking lot about a quarter mile away, so I pulled in there and spent about 20 minutes doing some figure eights and quick stops to get a feel for the handling. I also mapped a route home that kept me on secondary roads where I could ride more slowly and not deal with a lot of traffic.

Surprisingly, even though this bike is at least 200 pounds heavier, I found I was able to make slow-speed turns as well, if not better, than on the 650. My biggest concern was going from a rear drum brake to a disc. I feared I might inadvertently lock up the rear if I had to stop quickly.

My biggest adjustment has been speed related. Because of the power difference, I find myself occasionally being surprised when I look at the speedometer. [88]

I know that learning a new bike is serious business, but dang, it is fun!]]>Campfire chat - Another state looking at loud pipesaidanspahttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11735&REPLY_ID=115108Campfire chat Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:12:39 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11735

quote:
Originally posted by radan2

Where can you get one of those shirts?

Can be ordered online at PJ's Parts, the originator of the phrase.]]>Campfire chat - Racing on Pike's Peakgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11966&REPLY_ID=115013Campfire chat Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:34:22 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11966 Having a passing acquaintance with Eddie Mulder covering almost 5 decades, (the first time I saw him ride was at the Peoria TT) and the last time seeing him ride was on an XR 750 at the "antique races" that were part of the Del Mar Mile and Concours it comes as no surprise that Eddie, in his 60s (late 60s) held the vintage class record for the Pikes Peak Hillclimb. Eddie in his prime and as a senior citizen is one of the fastest and most competent riders that ever put a leg over a motorcycle.

http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/hal...?racerid=238]]>Campfire chat - I finally nailed one of those kamikaze squirrelsIronHenryhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11845&REPLY_ID=115009Campfire chat Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:34:20 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11845 Some of the guys I used to ride with on Oahu told me they had a guy riding with them impaled by a bird's beak when it collided with his chest. I don't think they were BSing me.

I've never hit any animals, which is a bit surprising, but I have caught a wasp in the face when my visor was up. Luckily it exploded on contact so I didn't get stung, just a welt.]]>Campfire chat - To carry or not?bachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10365&REPLY_ID=114718Campfire chat Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:19:48 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10365
Al;

I agree with much of your reasoning as it applies to specific situations. I know that there have been some darn bad examples of an armed citizen trying to do good and having things go wrong. I don't mean this to specifically say it's a CCW holder either. As you point out, many hunters or other gun owners are not necessarily CCW users or holders. Some places allow open carry as well.

On the whole of it, I feel that the armed citizen who has met some standards (probably not as uniform or stringent as ideal) has an understanding of the law and the legal ramifications of using lethal force, the conditions that need to be met and legal liability they are potentially faced with. In the CCW class I attended, time was spent on tunnel vision, the adrenaline dump, errors in memory and the brain filling in things that make sense not necessarily accurate. Auditory exclusion can cause a person involved to not even hear a gunshot by another involved. Quite early in the class, the question is asked of everyone; Do you feel you can shoot to stop a lethal threat to save yourself or someone else from imminent death? If not, you are invited to be released from the class and collect your refund w/o judgment. The gravity of 'a situation' is not tread on lightly.
If others truly feel weapons are carried by people as a false sense of security and safety or they feel they are concerned about their own weapon getting out of their hands or stolen, I see the reluctance and understand that point of view. I just don't agree with it based on this basis;
I feel most that legally carry understand the gravity of using lethal force and have that option as a last resort in the 'what if'.

Are there some goofballs out there flashing the thing around a bit and showing it off if not inviting a confrontation? I have no doubt there are some other bad examples out there and yes, I do speak to these issues in a case by case situation for that reason.

When I say "court of public opinion" I mean it in this context; Here's a guy that did everything right and it turned out as good as can be expected. The involved LEO must have thought so too. Yet here we are at this crossroads again. Those that don't want to carry themselves try to make this sound like it was not successful. It was a WIN for the good guys! It was a WIN for the bad guy!
I don't feel there are too many PCP fueled madmen that were going on attack mode with a knife and lived to tell about it.

alblancher Posted - * Today * : 8:09 AM

Brian,
Your response is strictly based on Halsey's post.

My response was based on your specifics related to his post and the "obvious question" that turned out to be quite a few questions. One's I thought were clearly defined in his post if we followed the events as they happened.
I do not arbitrarily defend all people who use or carry weapons legally or otherwise, CC or otherwise nor do I fault others who choose not own firearms. Each case has to stand or fall on it own circumstances... as it should.
If I cherry pick the stories of the armed citizen that saves the day all across the country, that's not being fair either.
I suppose on some merits of the issue we just have to agree to disagree. [:)]

I don't feel it should be our place to make that final decision for another's life but when it's one life for another, that choice would be made by me or for me.
The law says I can shoot to stop the threat. We can agree that it doesn't say I will or have to. I have no doubt there are folks who could not end another life to save their own or that of a 3rd party ... again, their choice.
I had a reputation for talking people down at the hospital and I rarely carry my weapon. I'm more aloof than paranoid but I went through the process and have the credentials. I had a few jobs where the firearms were a part of it. I really don't miss it.

~brian]]>Campfire chat - Clowns on BikesRobushttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11849&REPLY_ID=114707Campfire chat Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:58:49 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11849 For one thing, they are kids. Most seemed to be in their 20s. Hope they smarten up.]]>Campfire chat - I always appreciateaidanspahttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11938&REPLY_ID=114693Campfire chat Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:36:00 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11938 Thank you Jerry. Impressive indeed.]]>Campfire chat - A real Texas SaddleCash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11935&REPLY_ID=114665Campfire chat Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:23:00 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11935 Alblancher wrote

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Thinking that it may not be that difficult to play the character is what will keep me up tonight.

We've found that many people realize after they've played the role they were assigned that it was pretty good therapy. [;^)] It was also hugely amusing to all concerned when we accidentally had "perfect casting."

Cash]]>Campfire chat - "It's a good day to die" ride Key West to AlaskaCash Anthonyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11930&REPLY_ID=114634Campfire chat Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:29:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11930 Thanks for the catch, Randy.

Cash]]>Campfire chat - A Well Written Contemporary Storyaidanspahttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11929&REPLY_ID=114581Campfire chat Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:20:53 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11929 Great story. Thanks for the link.]]>Campfire chat - Am I the only one here missing partsmadmachttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11759&REPLY_ID=114292Campfire chat Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:31:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11759

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[i]So am I the only one here with parts missing/MIA or have any of you gone through the same thing? If so how long did take you to get back to normal, riding, eating a regular diet (if not low fat) and or back to work.

About three years ago, I went through open heart surgery to replace a defective mitral valve. That a good while to bounce back from (about a full year plus a little more. But, I was able to back on my motorcycle after about four months. Within a year, I am going to have my left ankle replaced and the front of my foot remodelled due to a kickstand error I made about six years ago. That is going to cost me about a year, but it will make things more enjoyable. Get well soon and get back on the road.]]>Campfire chat - Nice work if you can get itNightwatchmanhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11814&REPLY_ID=113854Campfire chat Wed, 26 May 2010 20:09:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11814 That would kick an unhealthy amount of arse. I'd love to be able to do that. Any tips on how I might be able to do that? What sort of stuff do you think people would find interesting in such content?
]]>Campfire chat - The Atlantic RoadTonicBIAhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11810&REPLY_ID=113819Campfire chat Tue, 25 May 2010 18:05:41 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11810 With that view and music I felt a mario kart moment... and now I want to race it.

sigh

Silly public roads.]]>Campfire chat - ear of the beholder ...bachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11809&REPLY_ID=113791Campfire chat Tue, 25 May 2010 01:22:30 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11809

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Originally posted by Scooter rider
You mean I cant tuck that extra 50 foot of cable on top of a florescent light fixture [:u] [:D]

Sounds like that coiled up speaker wire makes a nice resistor.

I was guilty of the cheap speakers offense myself a few years ago but it was a practical solution.
Take one part '74 CJ-5, add a dash of under-dash AudioVox Fm stereo and two slivers of dad's el cheapo Craig wedge mount speakers (4" paper cones that last 2 rain storms). I solved this by getting some $25 Panasonic headphones.
Flash forward seventeen years to 1995; A good set of hearing aids - $3200.00 [:-(]

~brian]]>Campfire chat - The guy on the Harley...Chris_Jhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11782&REPLY_ID=113767Campfire chat Mon, 24 May 2010 11:08:36 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11782 My local Papa Gino's has 1/2 pizza boxes. If I get my 'za from there I just ask for it packaged that way. If not, I bring saved boxes and transfer the pizza. Keeping the 1/2 boxes in good condition is a HIGH priority. My preferred pizza place gets a kick out of it. I asked him if he could offer the 1/2 boxes, but it turned out that they are too expensive for the quantity he'd be looking at.

Unfortunately, when I asked to buy some boxes from the Papa Ginos, the manager was VERY rude about it. I understand their desire to sell food, but the reaction was uncalled for. So, now I will order a cheese from Papa's for the kids just so I can have the boxes to get the better pizza from my preferred place. (^_^)

The half boxes will stack 4 high (2 pizzas) under the seat of my scooter. Best of all, since the engine warms this compartment I can use it even in the winter and have hot pizza when I get home.

]]>Campfire chat - Weather or not..bachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11778&REPLY_ID=113472Campfire chat Fri, 14 May 2010 01:09:20 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11778

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Fellow Coloradans, please join me in praying for season appropriate weather! [:-(]

What we have here IS season appropriate weather ...Colorado style. 70's Monday (dose of sunburn)
38 and snow squall with 4 inches of slush a day later ... schools shut down and employers closing early.
Rain on and off for a few weeks in the 'transistion' season.

The most consistent memory I have as a 6 month resident of Littleton was the 3:00 pm rain showers .... just once a day though.

It looks way better starting next week with the forecast for the balance of the month. So they say.

~brian]]>Campfire chat - Another winter weather projectrayg50http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11295&REPLY_ID=113382Campfire chat Tue, 11 May 2010 21:04:06 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11295 Axe, How about one last photo update? I'm curious to see if there is still dust on the floor. [88] I am also curious to know if the change in weather has affected the fit.

]]>Campfire chat - Plus one for HondaThe Postmanhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11761&REPLY_ID=113379Campfire chat Tue, 11 May 2010 17:33:10 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11761 Agreed. If you are in my house, you play by the rules![:D][:D]]]>Campfire chat - fascinating IOM TT racing video.SkootchNChttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11742&REPLY_ID=113218Campfire chat Thu, 06 May 2010 05:28:38 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11742 "do not attempt at home.... professionals, on a closed course"

If you have "Speed-TV" on cable, or dish, you can catch recorded segments of this year's event.

Great fun watching the race. I really appreciate the rider's skills. However I'm content to "just watch"]]>Campfire chat - Time for another trip - Skyline Drive / BRP / Natchez Traceboondogglehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11652&REPLY_ID=112979Campfire chat Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:18:04 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11652 MattInFla,

It's a great ride. 3 years ago, I rode it the other way, starting just south of the Smokey Mountains up to Front Royal. I rode it in the fall and thought the colors of the leaves were outstanding, but then some of the locals said that the color wasn't that great because they had such a dry summer; oh well, still looked great to me.

I should have rode The Tail of the Dragon,
http://www.tailofthedragon.com/
while I was there, but didn't. Stupid of me; kind of like going to Egypt and not seeing the pyramids.
Besides the wildlife, watch out for the tunnels. First day on the BRP, it was very sunny, so I had on dark sunglasses on under the helmet. I come around a tight corner, right into a tunnel. No lights, couldn't see the end. Fortunately, they have reflective markers on the sides of the tunnel and middle of the road, and that is ALL that I could see. Very glad that no one was walking or biking inside the tunnel at the time, would have been ugly.

There are a LOT of scenic stops, so watch for cars and the like pulling out or slowing down to drive into one. And the scenery is distracting, it's hard to ride and gawk at the same time, at least for me; better to find a place to pull over where you can take the time to REALLY enjoy it.

One of these years I'm going to ride it again, and THIS TIME I will ride the dragon.

Enjoy,
Boondoggle Bill]]>