All Things Motorcycle - General Discussion

en-us Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:36:51 -0500 ATM@msgroup.org 60 All Things Motorcycle - General Discussion http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/ All Things Motorcycle for Guest http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/ http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/rss_32.png All Things Motorcycle RSS Feed 144 47 General Discussion - Houston source for blue reflective tape?Axiom2000http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11101&REPLY_ID=107923General Discussion Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:48:29 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11101 Take a look.

http://www.reflectivelyyours.com/]]>General Discussion - Narrow track vehicles.Indiana Randyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11097&REPLY_ID=107919General Discussion Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:41:11 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11097 I hope I live long enough for these to become popular and common.

I love the concept. I wonder how they perform in the rain? In the snow? In 110 degree desert heat?]]>General Discussion - Something seems wrong here.gymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11098&REPLY_ID=107916General Discussion Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:27:20 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11098 This may help clarify the context of my original topic and comment.http://tip.psychology.org/bandura.html

I question if it is possible to train effective warriors to be tame warriors. There is little doubt in my mind that is possible to train effective warriors to be disciplined warriors and that the one is nearly impossible without the other.]]>General Discussion - Some thoughts regarding Inflatable protectionjbalderrhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11102General Discussion Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:55:47 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11102
Something that comes immediately to mind are the auto-inflatable Personal Flotation devices that some sailors wear. There are pros and cons and I expect the same for these new Air Jackets.

First, maintenance. The CO2 cartridges sometimes become unscrewed. The firing mechanism itself can be compromised due to exposure to dampness.

Second, defects. Some have recalled their PFD's because they don't inflate properly.

Third, I wonder about quality and regulatory oversight.

The one nice thing about cushion PFD's is that I know that they will work by just looking at them.]]>General Discussion - Air bag jacket in MotoGPscottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10738&REPLY_ID=107886General Discussion Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:03:38 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10738

quote:
Originally posted by Stevebr242

Seems like the Dainese suit is a lot more sophisticated than the tethered airbag jackets.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/art...rticle=38741

So now you have to wonder if they could make it so that it was capable of going off a second and maybe even a third time. It would have to detect that it had deflated before rearming.

I have much more confidence in a company like Dainese to protect riders than I do with some of the first companies to come out with airbag jackets.]]>General Discussion - Riding efficiency - long distance ridinggalileohttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11094&REPLY_ID=107867General Discussion Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:28:39 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11094

quote:
Originally posted by rayg50

quote:

... One close call can shave hundreds of miles off one's endurance ...

What toll does bad weather take on endurance?

I find riding in rain to be relaxing as long as it's not too hard. It doesn't seem to have any effect on fatigue rate. Snow brings me to a stop. Wind doesn't seem to bother me at all. If anything stops me for a few hours, I just take a nap and readjust my plans if necessary. I've never riden in temperatures over 113, but up to there, I find it no problem. I have a core cooler which makes it feel like I'm wearing a swamp cooler under my suit. Cold temperatures down to the single digits aren't a problem as I have good heated gear.

Last year, I did cut a day short because of threatening fog and it was getting dark. Then at the other end, I stopped early because of thunderstorms ahead of me. What was supposed to be a 2 day trip ended up being a couple hours into 3 days. The year before, I set out on a 2,400 mile, 4 day ride and got stopped 74 miles from home by a freak snowstorm. The next day, I went home. Sometimes one has to have the maturity to realize a ride isn't working out and just try it another time.

From the context of my meaning when I said that a close call can reduce endurance, bad weather can have an effect, but not in the same sense as when one gets an adrenaline rush from a close call.

]]>General Discussion - Rocket almost T-Bonedjheberthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11087&REPLY_ID=107858General Discussion Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:52:52 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11087 I would suggest that whenever you see a gap in stopped traffic, assume that something is about to drive or walk through it, even if the gap appears where there doesn't seem to be a driveway or side street.

27 years of driving cars and trucks has taught me an important lesson: any behavior that other drivers don't expect puts you at a much greater risk of having an accident.]]>General Discussion - Life cycles of the motorcycle business.gymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11085&REPLY_ID=107817General Discussion Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:43:25 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11085 Midlife, good point about the used motorcycle buyer. The motorcycle industry consists of far more than the production of new vehicles. First, new vehicles are not sold to the public, as is commonly believed by most people, the new vehicles are sold to dealers who resell them to the public.

The used vehicle segment of the market is rapidly becoming a critical as well as major "profit center" for the dealers through the sale of the trade ins which fueled a significant portion of new bike sales, consignments, and the sale of repossessed bikes and bikes purchased at auctions for resale. Additional profit centers for dealers that are affected by the used bike market include Parts and accessories, F&I (Finance and Insurance sales), clothing and protective gear, rentals, and what I shall term "enthusiast support services" which build dealership loyalty.

While person to person sales make up a portion of used bike sales overall, the bikes involved in such transactions tend to be made of of older, often obsolete bikes that the dealerships would rather not spend time or floorspace on. The dividing line between a bike that a buyer can pay cash for or needs financing for will vary with individual circumstances.

The sale of $500 dollar motorcycles will not support a multi-million dollar dealership operation with monthly overhead expenses that may easily exceed $1,000,000 while the sale of a $4,000 or $5,000 bike does contribute to the bottom line. The contribution of a $2 or 3,000 dollar sale is marginal. The sale of $20,000 motorcycles is more closely aligned to the marketing of "Leisure Products" than basic needs and as economic times change and the interests of various demographic groups shift with emerging technologies and circumstances those manufactures (and dealers) that position themselves properly may succeed and those that err will eventually become extinct. The availability of credit is a major issue for the motorcycle industry as well as motorcycle purchasers at this time and for the foreseeable future.

A further "joker in the deck" for the motorcyclist and the motorcycle industry as a whole is the possibility of "mandatory health insurance coverage" which could effect significant change on may aspects of motorcycling as we currently know it.]]>General Discussion - seeking advice on newer bigger bikegalileohttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11067&REPLY_ID=107811General Discussion Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:12:16 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11067 The best direction to move isn't always bigger. Sometimes smaller is better. I sort of inherited a Yamaha Majesty 400. Yes, a scooter. Surprisingly, for a single rider, it's quite capable and comfortable. It also has great range and I can go 200 miles between fillups. Maintenance is simple to do yourself. Oil changes take about 10 minutes. Valves only need adjusted every 26,000 mile. Tires last about 14,000 miles. I can carry everything I need for a tour under the seat.

In the past 6 weeks, I've put about 4,000 miles on it and it will do anything legal without a problem.

I like it so much, I'm going to use it for a 48 state tour this summer.

]]>General Discussion - My new bikejhaakehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11081&REPLY_ID=107810General Discussion Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:55:48 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11081 I'm a much newer biker than yourself, 2008 being my first season. I started out with a Honda Nighthawk CB250 and I'm 6'4" and 250 pounds. The nighthawk was/is great -- I even commuted two-up with my wife on the freeway -- my maximum speed with my wife as about 65 mph -- full throttle and given sufficient time. Solo and perfect conditions (flat smooth freeway - no wind - straight - laying down on the tank) I could hit 76 mph. I thought I was pretty safe.

This season I got myself a Suzuki DL650 V-Strom (kept the Honda 250) and all I can say is WOW. I didn't realize how risky that 250 was. The 650 really put it into perspective. Being on the freeway on the 250 without any acceleration left is a dangerous proposition. I now use the 250 for local grocery shopping and puttering around my small town.

I tend to cruise at much higher speeds than you, but the larger bike was a good move for me. My wife feels much safer now too.]]>General Discussion - I give up trying to influence....Texasphotographerhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11070&REPLY_ID=107790General Discussion Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:08:39 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11070

quote:
Originally posted by radan2

It is important to remember the continuing influence of a good example. I have noticed that many riders who at first deride ATGATT slowly begin to come around to better safety gear with experience. Having a few acquaintances who die or suffer painful injuries opens eyes of those who are not in accidents themselves. But if they have never seen ATGATT, how do they know what real safety gear looks like?

Jim, that is an excellent point. I am alive today because I wore a properly fitting full face helmet. Although I rolled 4 times on the ground after hitting a deer, my face and head received no injuries or scratches. I also had tall heavy leather boots on and did receive a severe ankle sprain. Had I worn my armored jacket and protective trousers, I may not have broken my shoulder or cracked 5 ribs not to mention a punctured elbow and lots of road rash.

I have learned my lesson the hard way, but I am here to try again the correct way.]]>General Discussion - PLP stopsscottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11019&REPLY_ID=107768General Discussion Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:46:20 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11019

quote:
Originally posted by Texasphotographer

If you are looking for a very light weight helmet and one that provides marvellous head and face protection I strongly recommend the Shoei RF1000. This is the 2nd lightest weight full face helmet on the market that I found. It is about $300 less than the lightest one.

Be aware the the RF1100 is now out for a similar price, and it's a little bit lighter than the RF1000 (although there seem to be some discount prices on the remaining RF1000 helmest now).]]>General Discussion - Got back on the bike yesterdayalblancherhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11069&REPLY_ID=107750General Discussion Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:42:13 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11069 You know sometimes I miss the obvious.

PLP is where I should begin. Along with the rest of you I always recommended PLP be part of rider's continuing education. If there was ever a time I should take this advice it is now. It may be overkill but I think I will reread the BRC and ERC literature, practice the skills detailed in them, look back over Hough's books and spend some time rebuilding my confidence.

I am still concerned about what caused the accident and I do not know if I will ever be really comfortable on the bike until I nail it down and address it. I do and will continue to monitor my blood sugar, especially before a ride and during longer rides. I will try to be more conscious of where my head is during a ride. If I become "day dreamy" it's time to pull off and make an assessment of my frame of mind.

Thanks again my friends,

time to cutup the hogshead cheese and warm up the gumbo. The Saints are on TV in a couple of hours.]]>General Discussion - Do not think there is a best time to rideScooter riderhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11073&REPLY_ID=107765General Discussion Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:01:49 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11073 This is tough one hunters an bringing in crops can have them moving
any time of the day. The noise makers they sell don,t work.
After the crops are in an hunting season is over things should settle
down. An with crops in you will have a better chance of seeing them

The only thing I have found that seems to work is a hunting license.
An it only works during hunting season with that in my pocket an a deer tag.
There is not a deer to be found.
A day after hunting season
There will be five of throes over sized road rats in my back yard[:u][:D]

]]>General Discussion - New RiderSilver Girlhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10934&REPLY_ID=107728General Discussion Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:04:50 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10934 I have just finished my first riding season and can certainly relate to your challenges Carolfay. I too am an R.N. and b/c I work in Health Promotion and Injury Prevention, like you, I was pretty scared the first few rides on my bike. I took the safety course last August and got my bike this Spring. The safety course was one of the most challenging things I have done physically and emotionally since labour and delivery! I was nicknamed "Crash" (one incident involved me crashing into my classmates) so that tells you all. But I forced myself to go back every day b/c I'm not a quitter.

My experiences in the course also contributed to my nervousness when I got my bike. This is what has really helped me gain confidence and skill:

Lots and lots of PLP especially #249 & 194. Once I mastered the clutch and throttle, I wasn't afraid to go anywhere that required slow speed maneuvering. So kudos to you for recognizing that you're not ready for the road. I drive a standard car but that didn't help with learning to ride. A bike is a different animal!

Leave the boyfriend at home! My husband was absolutely useless for mentoring me. He was impatient and couldn't explain anything ("Duh. I just do it...") and made me feel stupid. Granted I'm the type that thinks things through - alot - but that's how I'm hardwired. He thinks I'm crazy doing PLP and following Ride Like A Pro and reading other helpful literature including this forum. I rode twice with my husband and then rode solo. That way I could "ride my own ride" (as someone already mentionned). Very important! I actually prefer solo riding now!

Keep at it! One day you'll just get it! It took me til my 7th ride before I felt that I WAS born to ride. Then the smile and the tears of joy came...

Again...RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE...trust your intuition...us women are gifted with that...use it!

]]>General Discussion - Deer avoidance equipmentbachman1961http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11066&REPLY_ID=107695General Discussion Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:45:19 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11066
I agree with the others here. Those things come by various names but I'll grant you the XP3 Hornet may just take the cool name prize. [:D]

You are better off with out since they may provide you some subconscious level of security that does not exist.

Your concern regarding deer and other migrating varmints is an very valid one for sure!

If not commuting most of the time, consider adjusting your time of day for riding. This is something pretty commonly used by those that ride for recreation and have options to mitigate hazards by route, weather and time of day or traffic conditions.

BTW ... Greywolf covers the essentials pretty well on this one; moderating speed, good braking skills and interference where practical.

~brian

]]>General Discussion - Owners of bikes and pickup trucks seem to have issues navigating curves...Razzoohttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11064&REPLY_ID=107690General Discussion Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:52:26 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11064

quote:

Just wondering out loud, how many of the "lost control" wrecks, were caused by speeding?

I once read, that anyone can ride/drive in a straight line, it takes skill to turn

The major contributing factors in crashes overall are following too closely or failure to yield, in comparison fatal crashes more often involve driver lost control or speed.

Following too close - this entirely up to the biker, you can't blame anyone else, it's completely under the biker's control.

Driver lost control or speed. -- As you mention, most likely they were just going too fast for their ability -- again this is completely under the biker's control. The easy answer is don't speed or go too fast for the turn - however not all rural roads have speeds marked on the turns.

What is unfortunate is there is the possibility that if the rider had more skill they might have been able to make the corner. There are flight simulators and auto racing simulators but no simulation or trainer that I am aware of for bikes and cornering. Track time might help, but even so if you exceed your capability at the track you still crash. The difference is that if you were in full leathers and there were no fixed objects to hit it would most likely not be fatal - (just thinking out loud).

It's a conundrum...

]]>General Discussion - A plea for helpangieorrhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10902&REPLY_ID=107670General Discussion Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:24:32 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10902 Thanks, Axiom, for the gentle friendly reminder about James' graciousness in hosting this website for all of us. Donation made and I must say, I get a lot of bang for my buck here!]]>General Discussion - Motorcycle accidents, injuries Infographicgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11056&REPLY_ID=107659General Discussion Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:01:58 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11056 Riding a motorcycle in peak hour urban traffic can give one the feeling of living in a pinball machine and being the ball. Afternoon and early evening peak hours can be particularly stressful and even a minor mishap that would result in scratched paint to a four wheeler can mean catastrophic injury or death to a motorcyclist.

Car pooling or public transportation is likely to be an even more efficient choice for urban commuting where feasible. Remember, riding a motorcycle has, roughly, in the neighborhood of 30 times the risk of a fatality per mile than traveling in a car, and the decision to commute by motorcycle is usually the least optimal choice (depending on specific circumstances).

Most people ride by choice, not necessity, choose wisely.]]>General Discussion - Nov 11thgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11042&REPLY_ID=107648General Discussion Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:35:57 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11042 For those interested, this Dutch website has some amazing color pictures of WW1 and losts of other interesting related stuff.
See www.greatwar.nl/]]>General Discussion - 'Old Salts' - learn to listen criticallyBorn1928http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10792&REPLY_ID=107616General Discussion Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:35:38 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10792 Cash Anthony indicates that James and her do not ride in the Big Bend area because of a lack of cell phone reception. My wife and I have ridden our bike in the BB area for many years and yes, lack of cell phone reception was a problem but that has changed. On our last trip about a year ago we had no difficulty in this regard. Apparently enough towers have been built to alleviate this worry. The trip between Study Butte and Presidio is fantstic in terms of a scenic mountain ride and light traffic. The new resort on this road at Lajitas is a great place to stay with very nice rooms and a first class dining room. The ghost town of Terlinqua features the General Store where later in the afternoon the local desert rats and tourists congregate on the wide veranda to talk and sip a favorite beverage. Next door is the Starlight Cafe which has the best filet mignons I've ever eaten. Also located in Study Butte is the LaKiva cafe which has fine food but also features open mike nights and the local talent isn't bad. Motorcycling in the BB National Park is about as good as it gets because of the low speed limits, light traffic and fabulous scenery. The piece de resistance is the ride to the 5,000 ft level of the Chisos Mountain Basin and a top notch restaurant you would find difficult to believe in such a remote area. Go while you are still able to ride. You won't regret it but I must add a caveat. Over the years I have talked to a number of people (not motorcyclists) who did not enjoy their visit to BB perhaps because they liked the hustle and bustle of city life better.]]>General Discussion - service manualmidlife_crisishttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11061&REPLY_ID=107595General Discussion Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:18:43 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11061 I have bought genuine Yamaha service manuals for both my yZF600's and my YZF1000 on ebay at very low prices: ~$30 for the 600 and ~$20 for the 1000 including shipping.

Even at $60, though, a factory service manual ("FSM") is a bargain. With $60/hr being a low average rate for motorcycle service at a dealer, the cost of a new manual represents essentially one service visit. I do everything from oil changes to transmission rebuilds on my machines, and the FSM is the most valuable tool in my shop.

If you're a "newbie" at motorcycle service, the one piece of advice I'd offer is that you pay almost religious attention to torque specifications; a loose fastener could result in a mere inconvenience on a cage, but it could result in a life-threatening situation on a motorcycle.]]>General Discussion - Cycle World Editorial Changescottrnelsonhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10951&REPLY_ID=107532General Discussion Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:00:58 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10951 I just receive the December issue of Cycle World yesterday and David Edwards is still there with his regular Up Front column on page 6 and not a hint that he's leaving.

How long does it take?]]>General Discussion - Scenic Ride an OxymoronBorn1928http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11032&REPLY_ID=107498General Discussion Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:25:47 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11032 I agree with Meromorph. Good Grief! If you can't enjoy the scenery and still ride safely then you should park your bike permanently. On the other hand group rides make no sense to me for the very reason you can't enjoy the scenery and still ride safely.]]>General Discussion - Who was at fault?House_of_Dexterhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11044&REPLY_ID=107474General Discussion Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:55:53 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11044

quote:
Originally posted by bachman1961
Good point!

I'll add to that;

In my experience, the vehicle will often slow down making it look certain they will turn and at the last minute, continue travel w/o turning.
They may not be familiar with the area and streets or be able to see to read the street signs well. The more they slow, the more aggravated a following motorist might be and they will often scream by and cut in ... right where you would be if entering that lane !!

~brian

Or...they stop in mid turn for no apparent reason...had someone do that the other day...luckily I was going slow enough and enough distance between us, I did not rear end them. The corner was like concrete you find in buildings, which made a very scary moment as I came to a stop.]]>General Discussion - OSU Motorcycle Crash Researchgalileohttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10962&REPLY_ID=107452General Discussion Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:49:19 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10962

quote:
rayg50 said:
I I wondered if a particular personality was drawn to Iron Butt riding. To me it is a critical piece to the puzzle.

I've noticed iron butt riders have a particular style of riding. I mean the ones who do it regularly, not those who do one event.

The other day, I noticed a guy pull into a rest area. He was in complete control of his ST1000 and did a snappy U turn into a parking space. The aux tank was well hidden, so I didn't notice it.

Anyway, I went over to talk to him and it turns out he was on a ride from California to Colorado and back. He made the trip to go to a memorial service. On the way back to California, he was going to stop in southern NM.

Sure enough, he had finished an Iron Butt Rally.(The 11 day one.)

Yesterday, I followed a guy for about 20 miles on the interstate. I noticed he was making all the right choices. Staying away from packs of traffic. Keeping to the speed limit. Not tailgating, etc.

So, when he stopped in a rest area, I followed him in. He was on his way from Prudhoe Bay to Florida. Yes, the ice road in the winter. On a 650cc BMW.

I'd say the overwhelming riding characteristic is efficency in traffic. Staying out of trouble and not being in a hurry. Yet when there is a safe opening, they seem to melt through traffic.

On a long distance link serve, I saw a discussion about how much to stay below the speed limit. There seems to be a consensus that it takes more energy per mile to go over the speed limit than lower than the speed limit.

They have a "uniform" like others. The Aerostitch Roadcrafter suit in bright yellow is pretty standard. I have one and it's very comfortable. Warm when it's cold and cool whent it's warm. Plus its completely waterproof. Full face helmet, heated gear and a stadium buddy. (don't ask.) BMW's are pretty standard, but are becoming less popular due to drive shaft failures.

Most don't consider the distances they ride to be anything exceptional. It's just what they do. I've never seen one appear tired, even late in the day.

Personally, I'm not into riding at night, so I don't aspire to those levels. But I did ride 45,000 miles last year and expect more this year. Probably in the neighborhood of 70,000 miles with at least half of it on a 400 cc bike. (Just for fun.)]]>General Discussion - A word about Peer Reviewsradan2http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7694&REPLY_ID=107421General Discussion Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:45:12 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7694 I participate in a number of other forums that do not concern motorcycles. I wish all of them had peer review ratings.

On this forum, we have two great advantages when we see a post:

1. We know that James Davis truly cares about the quality of advice given, and will quickly respond if that advice is bad. If a poster persists in giving bad or misleading advice, he will be admonished, then banned. Since James is a qualified expert on motorcycle safety, we can be sure that what we read here about riding will be high-quality advice, based on real expertise, not just opinion.

2. Through peer reviews, we can see what other readers of this forum think about the opinions and views expressed. This is very helpful, especially in non-safety-related subjects. When I see a post with a positive peer review, I know that someone else found that post to be useful and helpful enough to motivate them to take the effort to respond. In the same way, if I see a negative peer review, I know that someone strongly disagrees with the post, and I need to think carefully before I accept the views of the poster.

You may say, "Well, if you disagree, post your argument." In fact, many do--and I usually do. But one thing I have learned over time: the truly stupid are impervious to argument. Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is permanent. In many cases, arguing is what a troll wants--it stirs up activity, but will not deflect him from his opinion--look at Holocaust deniers as an example. With peer review, we can demonstrate our disagreement without gratifying a troll with the attention he seeks.

In any case, I will always briefly explain the reason for my votes, even when I think it will make no difference.]]>General Discussion - Speedometer is way offkmlhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7915&REPLY_ID=107419General Discussion Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:10:26 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7915 http://good-times.webshots.com/slid...411332EervJX

Speedohealer install. Works great. No problems in 25000km. Corrected for 7% stock error. On site calculator works well. 100km/h on speedo is 99km/h on gps.

I've used it to correct for gearing and tire profile changes as well.

Top speed recall button too![}:)]

Handy gizmo.

cheers
ken
]]>General Discussion - PLP and diminishing returnsananga73http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10994&REPLY_ID=107396General Discussion Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:17:17 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10994 I just got back from riding. Actually I was planning to go for an hours ride but after starting my pre-ride PLP, I "enjoyed" it so much I ended up not going for the ride and doing about thirty minutes of PLP.

I have a relatively heavy bike and it is rewarding to notice improvements in maneuvering the beast in tight spaces at low speeds.
[:D]]]>General Discussion - Tire pressure?ananga73http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7250&REPLY_ID=107394General Discussion Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:04:09 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7250

quote:
Originally posted by gdickelman

quote:
The bicycle pump is hopeless even if you could get it attached. Bicycle pumps are meant to deliver a little bit of air at high pressure. You need a greater volume of air at lower pressure.

Hmmm...I have a high quality bicycle pump with a built in pressure guage that works like a charm. It attaches to my valve stems without a hitch, pumps easily, and the pressure that I read on its guage agrees with the auto tire pressure guage that I use to double-check afterward.

After struggling with those impossible gas station air hoses, and paying 50 - 75 cents each time, I decided that the high quality bicycle pump (retail $49.99 pump, on sale for $29) might be a simpler solution than buying a compressor and fittings. In this case, it worked out.

I'm not referring to the portable hand pumps, but rather a floor pump. Mine is a Hurricane Team Floor Pump:

[image]http://www.performancebike.com/prod...CL-ANGLE.jpg[/image]

http://www.performancebike.com/shop...fm?SKU=19979

Since I am also a bicycler and shop at Performance Bike, I find many things that are applicable to motorcycles (reflective vests, reflective stickers for the helmet, compact-portable tools, little clocks that you can attach to the handlebars (my Guzzi does not have a clock) and more).

Like you I am a "bicycler" and have one of those pumps however I had doubts it would work for the motorcycle considering the lower pressures on the motorcycle. Will try them this weekend and see if]]>General Discussion - Push/coast starting motorcycle.dhalen32http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11014&REPLY_ID=107381General Discussion Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:02:21 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11014

quote:
Originally posted by Stevebr242

Tmonroe, good post. I wanted to make one more comment, though. The critical part of a maintanence system that is hooked up for long periods of time is that it is designed for that type of use. A normal trickle charger can accellerate the battery's end of life by causing too much transfer at the plates, where a smart charger with a desuphator will (if it works as advertised) stop and even reverse the plating action that can bring end of life. A smart charger is critical for batteries that are hooked up for weeks or months at a time. Keep the cheap trickle charger for overnight charges when a battery gets low.

Another note, on both my 99 ZX6E and my neighbor's 89 BMW K100LT, there are quick connects on the wiring harness that make it easy to charge the battery without taking the bike apart. They may not be obvious on some bikes, since they are just pigtailed out of the harness, vaugely in the neighborhood of the battery, but I bet a lot of bikes have them.

Steve:
Most likely these quick connect pigtails have likely been installed by the dealership. I know that is what my dealership does on every bike they have for sale. I doubt that they are built in (added cost) by the manufacturer. This is just an opinion from someone who works in Design Engineering for a manufacturing company. [:)]
Dave
]]>General Discussion - RPMsDeseret Riderhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11038&REPLY_ID=107374General Discussion Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:43:17 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11038 The Virago had a reputation of being pretty much "bullet proof". But (Pay attention)-- You received very good advise from Night Train and Indiana Randy~you will do well not to take it lightly]]>General Discussion - Motorcycle Crash Causation StudyST-riderhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=9259&REPLY_ID=107352General Discussion Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:54:46 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9259 The impression I got is that OSU got the project as pork courtesy of Sen. Daniel Inhofe, who intervened to grab it in 2005. OSU does not have any bike competence, and they stumpeed a professor, Samir Ahmed, with the job. He is not a biker, far as I can tell.
http://www.bikesafer.com/petition_resources.html has details.

Cost comparisons here
http://www.bikesafer.com/blog/2009/...arisons.html

People identified as working for the study http://www.bikesafer.com/blog/2009/...n-study.html

It's not so much that OSU is gold-digging, they seem to be schlepping the standard 20% vig that any university would take off the top of all research grants. The real problem is that there are a lot of highly qualified and expensive research outfits in the LA area, including Dynamic Research and Jim Ouellet, and Dr. Ahmed has chosen to hire these platinum level guys and pay their rack rates. Additionally, although the OECD methodology specifies a QA sampling rate of 10 percent (see http://www.bikesafer.com/blog/2009/...plained.html), Dr Ahmed is insisting that his $250 per hour consultants do QA at the rate of 70 percent. That's not QA, that's management, which OSU is supposed to be providing. And Westoc is being brought in to do day-to-day project administration as well.

This is a far cry from what you expect when you hire a university to do research. If you want to hire platinum-level outside consultants to do your research, hire them directly, negotiate a discount or a cost-plus deal, rather than paying the ambulance-chaser rack rate and a university to act as a middle man.

When I talked to Dr Ahmed, he seemed unfamiliar with the Maids project and did not recall the very notable flubbing of the ABS research findings, for example. He has had since 2005 to do his homework, which is basically to read Hurt, Maids and the OECD methodology literature.

I fear that the real culprit is incompetence, and an attempt at OSU to throw money (our tax money) at the problem.

Since Hurt left USC and his department was closed down and basically moved to the Head Protection Research Lab (which would have been inappropriate for this study due to the helmet law angle), it is claimed that there are no university departments with motorcycle crash competence, but Oregon State University with their TEAM OREGON bike training partnership would seem like a good place to start.

There's a petition about the study here http://www.bikesafer.com/petition.html, you should sign it. Bikers have lives staked on this process.]]>General Discussion - I am not sure what to do anymoreTexasphotographerhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10991&REPLY_ID=107360General Discussion Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:42:02 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10991

quote:
Originally posted by galileo

Tex,

Maybe the boots didn't give full protection, but I'm guessing that ankle might have had a nasty break without them.

You are so right. Yesterday, the physical therapist whom is helping me strengthen my ankle asked to see my boots. She observed a bulge or something stretched in my left boot which she said my ankle would have been a lot worse had it not been for the heavy leather I was wearing. I was not looking at my boots objectively as I am in pain and wanted these to be "miracle leather". The are not, but are just plain good protection. Thanks for helping me be a bit more objective.

Larry]]>General Discussion - First racing leather clothing??gymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11037&REPLY_ID=107348General Discussion Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:49:45 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11037 I have never heard of "First Racing leathers" and from what I saw of their website, their stuff appears to be made to look like motorcycle leathers rather than actually be quality motorcycle protective gear with certified armor. Alpinstars, Feldsheer, Vanson, Dianese, Langlitz, first Gear, and at least half a dozen other companies make high quality leather protective gear.]]>General Discussion - Prechecks or walkarounds.....no time?dhalen32http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11025&REPLY_ID=107328General Discussion Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:10:55 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11025

quote:
Originally posted by ananga73

TWC,

I did take the BRC before purchasing my bike a couple of months ago. T-CLOCS was stressed in the CLASSROOM portion of the course however when we got to the range, the instructors said not to bother with going through the process because it would take time from the riding lessons.

From what I am reading on this site, the BRC has been HEAVILY watered down however what I find even more disturbing is that even the watered down BRC is not fully covered during the classes. I remember very clearly that in my class, we did not practice the exercise involving riding over an obstacle which is in Exercise 15.

Ananga73:
I remember reading on the MSF curriculum list that Maryland actually made the decision to exclude the surmounting obstacles part of exercise 15. There was apparently some concern about liability should a student fall while executing this particular maneuver. Many may not like to hear it as it is more convenient to blame the MSF, but the state in which you live typically makes these types of decisions about what to include or exclude from their entry level motorcycle safety course. For instance, here in Nebraska we do not allow students to ride their own motorcycles or scooters in the BRC and we do not allow the impairment role playing exercise in the classroom. If someone shows up at the DMV to take their riding skills test on a 125cc or smaller bike then their license is restricted to that displacement. Yet if they take the BRC on a 125 they are rewarded with an unrestricted license. Go figure! [:u]

The MSF specifies four pieces of 2 x 4 lumber, each 5' long for the surmounting obstacles part of the exercise. I can tell you from personal experience that a 4 X 4 can cause problems for some of the smaller/lower training bikes we typically utilize. In 2004, at an update where I was training Instructors transitioning from the RSS to the BRC, I watched in amazement as an Instructor high centered a Suzuki GZ 250 on a 4 X 4. He came to an immediate halt after the front wheel cleared the 4 X 4. We quickly changed out the larger lumber for 2 X 4s and have had no problems since that time.

T-CLOCS is covered in detail in the classroom yet it is not covered out on the range under the assumption that the BRC training fleet is gone over by a tech each week prior to the start of the riding. However in an ERC, MSRC or ARC-ST class the participants are required to pair up with another student and they each do the inspection of the other's bike with TCLOCS checklist and pencil in hand as the Inatructors "audit" the process. We almost always find low tire pressures and low fuel levels during the inspection. I know, shocking isn't it? [:0]
Dave
]]>General Discussion - Alaskan Troopers TV ProgramNight Trainhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11008&REPLY_ID=107247General Discussion Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:26:38 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11008

quote:
Originally posted by alblancher

Thanks,

It's good to know that our Law Enforcement Officers consider what action is appropriate for the situation. That "reasonable response" has a place in their lexicon.

Al

The information provided by Tex related to Texas with the caution that they could not speak for other States. We cannot lose sight of the fact that any given LEO will be making decisions in the field that may or may not jive with what we feel appropriate. If we perform what we believe to be a "reasonable response" and are ticketed for it, we have the recourse of the courts to present our point of view. Although not at all times easy to do, if we take our "reasonable response" in a civil and peaceful manner, I believe most courts in North America would find in our favor.]]>General Discussion - Antilock Braking Systemsgymnasthttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=244&REPLY_ID=107208General Discussion Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:41:19 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=244 That's an good summary of the reasons to have ABS on any motorcycle and you do an excellent job of articulating the reasons why I will have ABS on the next motorcycle that I buy. Having a braking system that can be operated at 98% when one is having a "70% day" at the same time that an "85% emergency" arises is a good reason to have ABS.]]>General Discussion - russian roulette, with a vehicleStevebr242http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11022&REPLY_ID=107206General Discussion Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:06:49 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11022 I think Night Train hits the nail on the head. Criminal is the only way to describe this complete lack of respect for human life. And to think that folks sit around and bet money on what is going to happen on the pass. This means that lots of people are condoning this activity and probably hoping for some excitement in the form of near misses or accidents. I think that everyone involved should be punished in some way to head off this stuff fast. I can't believe that people are callous enough about the possible consequences as to gather to watch and to bet on it.]]>General Discussion - Helmet Laws and Organ Donorsacruciferhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11011&REPLY_ID=107171General Discussion Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:58:58 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11011

quote:
Originally posted by Night Train

I thought the document was interesting and certainly looked at helmet legislation from a different perspective. Although when reading it, I pictured in my mind an organ donor organization lobbying the government to repeal helmet legislation so their potential harvest prospects would improve. I doubt if this is the type of alliance ABATE would endear themselves to.[:D]

In respect to donating of organs, I am a strong supporter of same and have been an organ donor for years. If my parts can help someone else when I'm done with them, what could be wrong with that? Once they've taken what is of any use they can cremate the rest to get ahead of Satan's furnace.

Its not your body satan wants, its your soul which he wishes to devour and torture.]]>General Discussion - On the legal use of auxiliary/passing lightsdogdoc427http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10909&REPLY_ID=107170General Discussion Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:57:44 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10909 I apologize for the delay but here is the section I was refered to by LEO:

375.3. Headlamps required pursuant to the provisions of subdivision two of this section may be of the multiple beam type designed to produce more than one distribution of light or of the single beam type designed to produce only one distribution of light. Provided that, whenever a vehicle approaching from ahead is within five hundred feet, or when approaching a moving vehicle from the rear and within two hundred feet of the same, the headlamps, if of the multiple beam type, or the auxiliary front facing lamps, if the vehicle is so equipped, shall be operated so that dazzling light does not interfere with the driver of the approaching vehicle, or the vehicle being approached, and, whenever the highway is so lighted or traffic thereon is such that illumination of the highway for more than two hundred feet ahead of the vehicle by lights on such vehicle is unnecessary or impracticable, the headlamps, if of the multiple beam type, or the auxiliary front facing lamps, if the vehicle is so equipped, shall be operated with the lowermost distribution of light in use. Nothing contained in this subdivision shall be construed to prevent the use of flashing high beams to signify an intention to pass a vehicle or vehicles when two or more vehicles are traveling in the same direction, the operation of any headlamp as defined in paragraph d of subdivision two of this section, nor shall it apply to any auxiliary front facing lamp permitted to be displayed only on an authorized emergency vehicle.

Dogdoc427]]>General Discussion - dead batterysportyhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11004&REPLY_ID=107143General Discussion Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:36:02 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11004

quote:
Posted by Niebor
This is another situation where a very large posterior is quite an advantage. This doesn't describe mine... [:o)]

I'm workin' on it (way too hard)...

I was rolling down the street one day and heard something
(like a dragging brake pad), shut the motor off to hear it
better, then flicked the kill switch back on and let it out
in 2nd. then 3rd.... Gave it up when the tire started
chirping...

-W
]]>General Discussion - Conspicuity lighting anyone .... ?WSMedershttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11012&REPLY_ID=107135General Discussion Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:01:32 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11012

quote:
Originally posted by Night Train

If a bike has ample lighting on it, it shouldn't matter what color it is. Both my bikes are black and although despite the extra chrome on the Night Train, I will concede that it is likely more difficult to spot than my Electra Glide. The "Glide" has headlight, two spot lights, and two amber running lights on the front. On the rear it has an LED tail light, three additional tail lights, three brake lights, and signals. If that doesn't make it visible enough, then the other driver wouldn't see it if it was a school bus.

I amend myself: I am thinking of the crotch rocket with as few/inconspicuous lights as possible, making me think they are trying not to be seen. You, Night Train, have a clear intention to be seen. (Mind you, I ride a black (original color) FZR, though I have one yellow, one clear head lamp)
Restated: I cringe every time I don't see a matte black bike... ;o)]]>General Discussion - Gear Gear Gear10.30http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10997&REPLY_ID=107099General Discussion Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:27:09 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10997 Thanks for the links, Meromorph. I've been looking at the Forcefield under-armor, as it seems to be very unobtrusive and should stay in place well. It has soft armor, which from what I gather is less effective in reducing force from strong impacts, but is lighter and more flexible.

I just saw a suit (pants+shirt) advertised here for $150! Wrong size though. I'll have to keep looking.]]>General Discussion - a newbie after so many yearsRHayneshttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11005&REPLY_ID=107072General Discussion Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:35:01 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11005 Weel most times the bitter ex is female but for me, it was my exhusbands.
When I divorced the first one, he was a spiteful SoB and wouldn't let me have it. It was titled in his name, and when I got him an 850 for an anniversary present and inherited his ols one, we never changed the title. So I got the shaft.
I get back on my feet, and get another one (a friend at work let me hand over 50% and pay the rest 100/paycheck with the ability to add on to the payments if I was doing well. Fast forward 2 years to another divorce, and I had no place to store it (you *don't* park a bike in Boston on the street where I was)so he offered to keep it for me. I go to take it out the following spring after moving, and he'd left a container of acid on the set that had burst and the frame was a lovely bubbled looking mess.
3 years later I am on my feet, and I feel the 'itch', so I tell my husband I really, *really* miss riding, and does he mind if I hit my next bonus and get a bike. Nothing huge, nothing too expensive, but I want to ride again BAD.
So now I back on, loving life on my 96 Yamaha 750 Virago. After 2 years on it, I'm realizing that I feel cramped. So I'm shopping now for something a bit bigger, that won't be screaming at me at 70 for an hour to get to work.]]>General Discussion - I need a saddlebags for dummies bookrayg50http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=11003&REPLY_ID=107044General Discussion Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:05:44 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11003 Meromorph your link made me aware of a molded bag solution for not relocating the signal lights. I will track down if there is one for my bike.

Thanks to all for the suggestions and links. My search continues but is now a bit more focused.

]]>General Discussion - Question about riding into the sunNieborhttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10932&REPLY_ID=107029General Discussion Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:31:54 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10932 I use a motorcycle visor called the Super-Visor, it works great. Their web site is down at the moment. Here is a picture on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N3XVLO

James and Cash both use this product.

My first choice is to have the sun at my back. Clearly that's not always practical.]]>General Discussion - Safety Tip 143brooks10http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11000General Discussion Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:59:40 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11000 General Discussion - Does this man have a good idea...Razzoohttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10982&REPLY_ID=107016General Discussion Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:26:44 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10982

quote:
Originally posted by kml

... or a bad idea?

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Absolut...Our-Highways

What say you?

cheers
ken

I feel that is too easy for a novice to get a powerful bike, which IMHO is a bad thing all around.

Based on my limited experience, we can't expect all dealers to put customer safety first. I walked into a local dealer and asked about a Honda 599 and Suzuki SV650. The salesperson did not attempt to assess my experience and ability, but quickly led me over to a 919 and a SV1000, saying that I would quickly get bored on the smaller bikes. BTW: Both of these smaller bikes can run the quarter mile in the 12's - these are not slow bikes.

I don't like the idea of electronics limiting the bike, they will be defeated in any case.

I feel that laws limiting power for novice riders would be a good start. At worst it would be an inconvenience some riders, but overall would help more than it would hurt. I understand some parts of Europe already do this.

BTW: I don't have a study to back this up, but I feel that distracted drivers talking on cell phones and driving large SUV's or full sized pickups are more of a danger others than a biker could ever be. I see drivers that seem to feel comfortable with giving limited brain cycles to the road, talking on a cell phone and tailgating, comfortable in their belief that their vehicle's bulk and safety features and will potect them and their loved ones*.

* As always this is just my opinion. I don't mean to imply that everyone that has a large vehicle drives and feels this way).

--Raz

-- Raz

]]>General Discussion - HELP Salvage title 650 ninjarkfirehttp://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=10998&REPLY_ID=107011General Discussion Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:02:00 -0500http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10998 I don't know why it would be difficult to find this:

http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/motor/..._vehicle.asp]]>