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Multi-Bike
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25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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 Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:11 PM
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| Indiana Randy you are so right. I havent even seen the bike in a few days and I cant stop wondering about the problem. I should be getting back on it in a day or so since yall have gave me so many areas to check. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/03/2009 : 6:17 PM
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| Who can tell me in english what exactly the ignitor does? Also with the Battery light being on in the dash that dont mean its not charging so Im kinda wondering why its on. Its putting out over 13.5 at idle and higher when you rev. I know checking ALL connections may fix that problem as well but since I dont have the bike here right now I was just wondering. Thanks yall |
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SecaRob
Starting Member
1 Posts
Cincinnati, Ohio
USA
Yamaha
SECA 750
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:17 PM
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Multi-Bike, head over to XJBikes.com
It's a website dedicated to the Yamaha XJ series of bikes and without a doubt the best source of information out there. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 5:35 AM
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| I will have my hands back on the Maxim this afternoon and I will be going through all of the wiring and connections. I hope it does turn out to be a connections somewhere. Thanks again for all the ideas and possible problems to check. I will keep yall posted on what I find and any more questions I may have. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 6:07 PM
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| I checked alot of the connections on the bike today and I found that the plug coming from the rectifier at the red wire was burnt pretty bad (melted together). I was able to get them apart. I had another rectifier so I installed it. So far so good but it wasnt happening all the time anyway so only time will tell. I could tap on or around the ignitor and rectifier while it was running and the bike would shut off and now it will not do that or at least I hadnt be able to get it to do it. The "Batt" light is still on in the dash though and now so is the "brk" light. Fix one thing and something else goes wrong. Anybody want to buy a Maxim..haha |
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scottrnelson
Advanced Member
5258 Posts
[Mentor]
Pleasanton, CA
USA
KTM
990 Adv, ST2, XR650L
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 9:50 AM
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Originally posted by Multi-Bike
...and now so is the "brk" light.
That means that your bike is "broke". 
Older bikes need a lot of attention to stay in top-top shape. Ignore things like the wiring for 28 years and you pay the consequences. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 7:02 AM
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| The "BRK" light is out so does that mean its not Brokoe anymore..haha. The "BATT" light is still on. Someone told me that there is some kind of battery sensor that controls that light. Anyway so far it has not died anymore but hasnt really really been tested yet. I will keep yall posted. |
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Niebor
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 5:00 PM
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Aha! There should be a small wire in the vicinity of the battery. Generally there is a small probe connected to that wire with a disc about the size of a battery vent plug. If so, the sensor replaces one of the middle vent caps. Since the middle cells should read about half battery voltage, the sensor compares this value to alternator output. If it reads less than half, the light comes on. The good news is I believe the wire does nothing other than turn that little light on. At least thats true for the old Yamaha Venture.
You do want to verify your alternator. Just hook up a simple DMM, start the bike and make sure the voltage is climbing. You may find it anywhere between the low 12s and 14.4V. Eventually you need to see it reach into the 14's, but that could take awhile, given your cranking the bike all the time. 
LOL, But of course you've replaced your battery, with a gell cell and that vent no longer exists... 
Two choices, substitute a resistor (I'd start with 500k ohm), touch ground, then hot, connect to whichever turns the light off. Alternately, unplug the light bulb. 
FWIW, Most of our bikes have no such light. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 8:53 PM
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| It sounds like this guy knew what he was talking about and to think I thought he had lost his mind, talking about a wire that sticks inside the battery. Thats what he said, It was a sensor that sticks inside that battery and since I had never heard of such a thing I figured he didnt know what he was talking about..haha. If I had a book on this bike which I do not I would almost bet the sensor wire is white with a red stripe or at least there is a wire of that color hanging close to the battery but it only has a male plug on the end of it. I found a wire of the same color behind the dash cluster and checked both ends for continuity to see if it was the same wire and it wasnt so...but anyway I guess that would explain the light being on and never a dead battery. By the way I did check output and it is mid 12's to high 13's just with a quick rev. Thanks again. |
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Niebor
Ex-Member
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 12:43 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Multi-Bike
...and to think I thought he had lost his mind, talking about a wire that sticks inside the battery.
It's OK, I wonder myself sometimes.
I'd like to say first take it high, (+12), then ground it, see which if either turns the light off. Without reviewing your specific chassis electrical drawing, I can not be certain it would not be destructive.
I know the resistor approach will not hurt anything. I'm not sure 500k is low enough to pull the circuit up. |
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SkootchNC
Advanced Member
603 Posts
[Mentor]
raleigh, north carolina
USA
Harley-Davidson
road glide
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 2:20 PM
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| The bike is still just cutting off. After a new rectifier and checking wiring connections. I just dont understand!! |
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scottrnelson
Advanced Member
5258 Posts
[Mentor]
Pleasanton, CA
USA
KTM
990 Adv, ST2, XR650L
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 3:11 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Multi-Bike
The bike is still just cutting off. After a new rectifier and checking wiring connections. I just don't understand!!
That just means that you missed the wire that is causing you trouble. Time to go through it all again. |
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Night Train
Moderator
1335 Posts
[Mentor]
Sydney, Nova Scotia
Canada
Harley-Davidson
03 Electra Glide Std
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 5:26 PM
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| Question is, was it a NEW rectifier or simply one that was new to you? I've had rectifiers and coils around that worked when I put them away but when I resurrected them quite some time later, they seemed to fail me. As pointed out by Scott, there is still quite possibly a wire that has been missed. I can recall one bike years ago that I had to disassemble every wire in the harness and check it's continuity. Ended up almost rebuilding the complete wiring harness before I got all the bugs out. You could have a winter project on your hands but regardless of the amount of work and time it may take, you will have a reliable bike at the end of it. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 7:22 PM
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| It was not a NEW rectifier but it was one that6 came off of a running bike. The one I took off of the bike had a burnt wire so I was kinda hoping I was on to something but..... It also had a wire that was corroded coming from the ignitor and thought once again I might have found something but... The bad thing is as I said this is not even my bike, it belongs to a buddy and we ride about every weekend a couple hundred miles a day so I am just trying to help him out and keep US from being on the side of the road somewhere. The search continues... Thanks yall |
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Deseret Rider
Advanced Member
773 Posts
[Mentor]
Helper, Utah
USA
BMW
R1100RT
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 8:32 PM
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| I've been monitoring this thread from time to time and see we are talking about rectifiers again? A rectifiers only job is to charge the battery. A bike will continue to run even with a failed rectifier as long as there is a minimal charge in the battery. I would think that if a rectifier had failed that the battery would be stone cold dead by the time the bike cut out---and you would never get it running again without charging the battery. That doesn't fit the facts as I remember them! Id say look elsewhere for your problem. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 5:52 AM
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| Desert Rider you are right about the job of the rectifier. While I was working on the bike I had it running and unplugged the rectifier and it actually ran a little better unplugged (no draw) so I know the problems not there. I had another rectifier that was off of a running bike and put it on due to the old one having a burnt wire in the plug. As I said in another post, you can or could tap in or around the ignitor and rectifier area and it would shut off.I also know that it could be any number of parts or plug connections so I will continue to search. Its just that something like this is so aggravating and its probably something simple. Thanks |
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Niebor
Ex-Member
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 8:12 AM
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I thought we had established the bike was charging? If so, I don't understand the reasoning behind replacing the rectifier.
We're looking for things that change as the bike warms. The charging system could fall into this category, but is easy to verify. If your not dropping below 12V, the charging system is likely not the culprit.
Try connecting your DMM to the input to the coil, I'd expect to see 9.5-10VDC there. See if that fluctuates at all when it cuts out.
I belive your bike has points instead of a pickup coil. If so, you might try replacing the condensor. They are rathter notorious for breaking down when they get hot. |
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Gs82Seca650
Moderator
1953 Posts
[Mentor]
Southern, PA
USA
Yamaha
1982 XJ 650 R Seca
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 9:08 AM
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My cousin bike to the Maxim ( 1982 XJ650 Seca) has an ignition box and pick-up coil on the crank.
No points on these bikes. |
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Multi-Bike
Junior Member
25 Posts
fort valley, GA.
USA
Honda
03 Goldwing, 05 dyna
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 3:38 PM
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Neibor, Its not a Hot only issue. It can be when its cold or after being rode for 100 miles, it dont matter.I replaced the rectifier because I had a good one laying around and the one that was on the bike had a burnt wire at the plug so I figured it wouldnt hurt. I know you can unplug the rectifier while its running and it will not cut off so I know its not that.
Gs82Seca650, your right this nike does not have points or condensor. |
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