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rayg50
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2082 Posts
[Mentor]


NYC, NY
USA

Honda

Shadow Spirit 750DC

Posted - 04/19/2015 :  9:02 PM                       Like
My years of active lifestyle have taken a toll on my knees. Up until a few years ago the effect was inconvenient. Now they interfere with some daily activities.

Icepacks, ibuprofen, and elevated legs, no longer work as well as before. I was wondering if any other forum members have experienced anything similar and how they have handled it.

So far my riding is not hampered but my knees are not happy campers when I have to back the bike into the garage.

greywolf
Male Moderator
1484 Posts
[Mentor]


Evanston, IL
USA

Suzuki

DL650AL2

Posted - 04/19/2015 :  11:46 PM
I have had two surgeries on my left knee for torn cartilage and my right knee is more painful due to my favoring my left knee. Both have osteoarthritis. Four years ago, I was still riding cross country but now I limit my trips to about two hours. I take ibuprofen before and after working on the bike, but rarely take anything for two hour rides or less. I installed a kit that lowers the footpegs on my bike and having a tall bike that gets my knees near a 90 degree angle helps. When I find it particularly painful to handle stairs, I wear an elastic knee bandage the entire day.

I used to ride in cold weather but now my joints tighten up so it's really painful to take my feet off the pegs or even shift gears. I'd rather limit my riding than take pills. I don't like taking pain meds and anything that does a really good job affects my reflexes and awareness so I just ride less.

I have a motorized adjustable bed so I can adjust my body to comfortable positions and always have the head elevated to help with acid reflux. I'm in that for more waking hours than I am on the bike as doing things that hurt aren't much fun. I hope I have a few more years before I have to give up riding altogether.
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Magnawing
Male Senior Member
281 Posts


The Woodlands, TX
USA

Honda

VF750C

Posted - 04/20/2015 :  9:46 AM Follow poster on Twitter
I have highway pegs on my bike that are in a position that allows me two different leg positions on the pegs plus my feet on the standard pegs. So I have three different positions for my legs to keep my knees from locking up while I'm riding. You may want to look into this option if you haven't already.
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gymnast
Moderator
4260 Posts
[Mentor]


Meridian, Idaho
USA

Harley-Davidson

Sportster Sport

Posted - 04/20/2015 :  10:32 AM
My wife tried Sinovisc a few years ago and has found it to be highly effective. She likely will get knee implants at some time in the future, however the semi annual injections of sinovisc have enabled her to ski (about 25 days a year) and ride pillion in comfort.

You need to see a Board Certified Orthopedic Surgeon to evaluate your specific problem and make recommendations as to the alternatives available for remediation. The longer you wait, the more you will suffer.

See http://synviscone.com/ It may be what you need.
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rayg50
Male Moderator
2082 Posts
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NYC, NY
USA

Honda

Shadow Spirit 750DC

Posted - 04/20/2015 :  9:24 PM
Seeing an orthopedic surgeon is on my to do list. Life has been hectic lately so I've put it off. I may have to move it up on my list now that things may finally be settling down.
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Vulcan500Rider
Junior Member
56 Posts


Eugene, OR
USA

Kawasaki

Vulcan 500

Posted - 04/22/2015 :  8:32 AM
I'm 64 years old now, but back when I was about 60 my knees and hips hurt so bad I had to walk with a cane. I tried those pills for joints (can't remember the hard to say name) but it never worked. Then a body builder told me about flaxseed oil that they use to help their joints. I started taking a tablespoon of flaxseed oil everyday and after a couple of weeks the pain went away. I then graduated to ground flaxseed to add to my oatmeal. And the pain stayed away and I gave my cane to Goodwill. I also found out that fish like sardines, herring and salmon are also good for the joints, so I eat fish several times a week. It's been almost 5 years now with no joint pain. I'm very active now and do physical activities such as cutting and hauling firewood that put strain on the joints and they have held up extremely well.
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rayg50
Male Moderator
2082 Posts
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NYC, NY
USA

Honda

Shadow Spirit 750DC

Posted - 04/23/2015 :  11:44 AM
quote:
I tried those pills for joints (can't remember the hard to say name) but it never worked.
I suspect Glucosamine / Chondroitin / MSM combinations. I've had some success with them but they take a couple of months to kick in and once I run out I don't have the pain to remind me to refill. Once the pain returns the cycle starts again.

I hadn't heard of flaxseed as a supplement so I am doing some reading up on it. Interesting to say the least. About the only common agreement I see is that it is suggested for short term use (4-6 months).

I'll research it a bit more. It may be worth trying.

Thanks for the suggestion.
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Vulcan500Rider
Junior Member
56 Posts


Eugene, OR
USA

Kawasaki

Vulcan 500

Posted - 04/24/2015 :  12:12 PM
I just googled "flaxseed oil and joint health" and they do say that it can be beneficial for some people with joint problems. I probably should have researched it more like you are doing, but when it started working for me, I just kept using it. My favorite flaxseed dish is ground flaxseed mixed in with yogurt and fruit. I also enjoy it with oatmeal.
Hope it helps your joints.
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commonground
Male Standard Member
155 Posts


Windsor, PA
USA

Yamaha

V Star 1300

Posted - 04/24/2015 :  4:11 PM
When I mentioned flaxseed to my wife she said that many Doctors recommend it. So,I went to the store today and bought Whole Ground Flaxseed Meal. I intend to put it on the oatmeal that I have every morning. The serving size is two tablespoons. Time will tell. Thanks
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Vulcan500Rider
Junior Member
56 Posts


Eugene, OR
USA

Kawasaki

Vulcan 500

Posted - 04/26/2015 :  11:00 AM
Just as a side note, when I got out of the shower this morning as was clipping my toenails, I remembered how crusty and cracked my feet used to be. That was at the same time that my joints were hurting. I used to soak my feet in vinegar to soften the crusts and coat them with lotion before going to bed at night and then again in the morning. It dawned on me this morning how smooth my feet are with no crusty calluses or cracks. And I don't even use lotion on my feet anymore or soak them in vinegar to get rid of the calluses. I think it may have something to do with the omega-3 fatty acids. According to one website ranking foods high in omega-3s, flaxseed oil is rank #1, even better than fish. So I think maybe that the flaxseed and fish that I now eat regularly not only helped my joints get better, but helped heal my crusty and cracked feet.

Just a thought I wanted to share. Thanks.
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rayg50
Male Moderator
2082 Posts
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NYC, NY
USA

Honda

Shadow Spirit 750DC

Posted - 04/26/2015 :  6:14 PM
Interesting possible side effect. I'll return to doing some reading and may give it a limited try. I do take supplements but not before understanding the effects, both positive and negative.

Thanks for the shared thought.
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Vulcan500Rider
Junior Member
56 Posts


Eugene, OR
USA

Kawasaki

Vulcan 500

Posted - 04/27/2015 :  7:15 AM
Funny how you think of flaxseed as a supplement. For me I think of it as a food choice. Eating flaxseed is no different than choosing oatmeal, fish, sunflower seeds, brocolli, etc. for their health benefits. It's not like a pill that has been formulated in a factory somewhere. It's a completely natural food recommended by doctors for the omega3 benefit to heart health. It just so happens that for some people it also helps with the joints.

Sorry, I'm really not trying to sell anything here. My enthusiasm comes from the fact that I get so excited when I think of the improvement of my health over the last 5 years.

I wish you well in your search for helping out your joints.
Thanks.
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Safe N Smiling
Male Junior Member
31 Posts


On a Bike Somewhere, Here and There
USA

(Unknown - Other)

Several Bikes

Posted - 09/19/2015 :  3:53 PM
It is quite amazing what diet can do for your joints.
Flax seed oil is excellent, raw flax seed crackers are really tasty too.

Eliminating or significantly reducing wheat and gluten makes a significant difference too, in particular it makes recovery much better.

Eliminate industrial red meat. It contains significant traces of a family of antibiotic (synthetic cheap ones) that damage and weaken ligaments. I'm vegan that makes things much easier, however there is excellent quality meat out there that is grass fed and organic. It is more expensive, but the difference in quality is day and night. More importantly it supports the smaller farmers and the quality of life of all those neat small town we motorcyclists love to visit.

Another thing that is problematic for knees and all joints is staying in the same position for too long and in particular in the presence of vibration or stress. I have fought quite a few older motorcyclists to move around more on their bikes. Shifting your weight on every turn (whole body... hips and shoulders.. using your legs to more you rather than using your arms).
It exercises your legs, cools down the inner thigh (and the naughty bits). It keeps circulation going and it eliminates your but going numb and sore.

IF your bike is conducive to it stand up often legs bent a bit and let them exercise as you go over humps and bumps. Joints like to move, bones stay healthy if they are exercised and compressed.

This way of riding moves everything and will even improve back problems.

Another thing that is a blessing is yoga. I have seen older men and women really thrive with yoga, even better if it is hot yoga. To many people think it's not their thing but once they try it they become hooked. IT has also been proven to work wonders for the brain and balance.
It's really such an appropriate companion activity for motorcyclists. It's totally portable so perfect for adventure and long distance bikers.

I have also found that one thing that really helps motorcyclists with knee problems is streatching the calf muscle. It must be something about the ergonomics of riding, but streatching the calf muscle just seems to open up the knee taking pressure off the joint.

Regarding highway pegs and harpy style leg positions.... While offering temporary relief in the long run both are very bad for the back and shoulders/upper back.

Both my father, mother and elder brother are back specialists and have worked with pro soccer players, motorcycle racers and F1 drivers as well as pilots ... both civilian and military.

I'm 55 and my knees have seen loads of "use". Fives and Basket Ball, year and years of Motocross (quite crazy stuff), years of kitesurfing (very fast over really choppy waters....
Two skiing accidents (broken knee cap) aggravated by a school bully hitting the same knee with a cricket bat. I still kitesurf unto 5 hours at a time.

Edited by - Safe N Smiling on 09/19/2015 4:06 PM
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