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Jerry Godell
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441 Posts
Kansas City, kansas
USA
Harley-Davidson
FXD SuperGlide
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 Posted - 08/25/2006 : 1:39 PM
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Thanks for the input.
The new report from the NHTSB lists 2004 as 25% improperly licensed. A good increase in properly licensed operators. A lot of that is due to the MSF I believe.
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sixsigma
Advanced Member
801 Posts
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
Suzuki
Marauder vz 805
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Posted - 09/25/2006 : 4:46 PM
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Here (at least the Ontario part of Canada) they have introduced progressive licensing for Motorcyclists
I.E. I believe it is G-1 = no pillion riders, night riding, 400 series highway riding and nooooo alcohol (not a good thing to have anyway when riding)
Then G-2 which enables 400 series highway but keeps the other restrictions
I think then that A "GM" or general Motorcycle license goes into effect however that process takes 24 months
They have left a "loophole" (which I don't think is wise) of "grandfather rights" for guys like me who took their GM licences years ago when it was one jump to full certification and then did not ride for years and re-entered. The MSF course does a lot to compensate but I sometimes think the other progressive restrictions removal should have been put in place for my re-entry group of riders. (lets face it, as we age? our reflexes slow down for sure )
I don't ride at night, take pillion riders, drink and ride or take the major highways but I am sure there are some who do. Surely the same rules should apply as technically I am a "new rider" albeit "re-entry". Sorry if wordy but thought provoking for sure. |
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Mikeydude
Advanced Member
741 Posts
[Mentor]
Ft. Worth, Texas
USA
Harley-Davidson
03 FXD Super Glide
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Posted - 09/25/2006 : 5:37 PM
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Hmmm... So as a re-entry rider I can't leave the bar at midnight with the ol' lady on the back and ride the freeway home? Geez, I might as well quit riding all together! 
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sixsigma
Advanced Member
801 Posts
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
Suzuki
Marauder vz 805
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Posted - 09/28/2006 : 4:36 PM
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LOL Mikeydude
I read your insightful posts and you don't strike me as the kind of rider that would do that anyway (well maybe when we were all 16 and "superman")  just a thought after I read that an older rider was injured or killed |
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Mikeydude
Advanced Member
741 Posts
[Mentor]
Ft. Worth, Texas
USA
Harley-Davidson
03 FXD Super Glide
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Posted - 09/28/2006 : 6:22 PM
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Nawww... I don't. I don't use intoxicants at all anymore, and I haven't put enough miles on for the lil woman to pile on yet (tho she's really nagging me about it).
I'll be taking a night ride tonight so I can meet some riders in my area. They have a local "bike night" and I seldom get the chance to ride with others, so I'm looking forward to meeting some in my neck o the woods. Fortnately it's only about 20 miles on the freeway, and I know the roads really well. |
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sixsigma
Advanced Member
801 Posts
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
Suzuki
Marauder vz 805
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Posted - 09/28/2006 : 6:45 PM
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Go safe my friend and ride well |
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Mikeydude
Advanced Member
741 Posts
[Mentor]
Ft. Worth, Texas
USA
Harley-Davidson
03 FXD Super Glide
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Posted - 09/28/2006 : 11:27 PM
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| Well... that was interesting... I was the ONLY cruiser owner there. Stuck out like a sore thumb... The ride was cool. No issues, no troubles. I live to ride another day! |
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sixsigma
Advanced Member
801 Posts
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
Suzuki
Marauder vz 805
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 6:32 PM
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| What? Mikeydude? I don't own a cruiser? acccch I have been taken again LOL |
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biggunbob
Standard Member
139 Posts
parma, OH
USA
Harley-Davidson
electraglide classic
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Posted - 01/01/2008 : 5:18 PM
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| Took the MSF course and paid for my endorsement a year before getting a bike and riding. It's the law and the responsible thing to do(don't forget insurance). Ride safe. |
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gsxrbamf1988
Starting Member
1 Posts
Conroe, Texas
USA
Suzuki
gsx-r1000
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 1:28 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mikeydude
In Texas a permit is different than an endorsement... And technically I don't have an endorsement on mine. I have a class CM, but there are no endorsements listed on the back.
Hey Mikeydude, my name is matt and I hav been riding for six years, on sportbikes mostly stunting. Im from TX and was wandering if I absolutley have to take an MSF course to get my permit or liscense. Im 21 and have never taken the course or had an M endorsment. Thanks |
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dhalen32
Moderator
846 Posts
[Mentor]
Omaha, NE
USA
BMW
R1200RT
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 4:46 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by gsxrbamf1988
quote:
Originally posted by Mikeydude
In Texas a permit is different than an endorsement... And technically I don't have an endorsement on mine. I have a class CM, but there are no endorsements listed on the back.
Hey Mikeydude, my name is matt and I hav been riding for six years, on sportbikes mostly stunting. Im from TX and was wandering if I absolutley have to take an MSF course to get my permit or liscense. Im 21 and have never taken the course or had an M endorsment. Thanks
GSXR:
You should be able to find more information here:
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/admini...htm#mcyc_lic
It looks like at your age you must take and pass the written test. If you pass a BRC the riding test may be waived. If you choose not to take and pass a class then you will be required to also pass a riding test.
Dave
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shadowrider
Advanced Member
602 Posts
[Mentor]
Phoenix, Arizona
USA
Harley-Davidson
FLT Tour Glide
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Posted - 04/27/2009 : 9:32 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mikeydude
quote:
Originally posted by mark700
What about insurance? Can you insure a bike without proving that you can legally ride it?
In Texas you can. I bought my scoot, and had it insured well before I got my license. The question then became would the insurance cover me if I crashed.
When I lived in the midwest you could get a bike licensed and insured without having an endorsement. I knew of 2 people that did this. They were never even asked about it, and I doubt it was checked. Funny though, I never gave a thought as to what the end result would be in dealing with insurance companies after an unfortunate event...
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astrangelove
 Starting Member
1 Posts
Hutto, TX
USA
Honda
Gold Wing GL1500
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Posted - 09/10/2010 : 7:46 AM
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Progressive asks whether or not you have an endorsement on their online quote page. GEICO does not. If you want to know if you will be covered without the endorsement. I would only guess you would definitely not be with GEICO and should be with Progressive.
I do own my motorcycle and do not have an endorsement. In Texas I have to have insurance on any vehicle I own to get registration or an endorsement, so I get to pay the higher no endorsement rate in order to *get* the endorsement unless I'm missing something. Though perhaps I could insure with GEICO who doesn't ask and pray that I don't get in an accident while riding to get my vehicle inspected. I think it's safest to go ahead and use the one that asks...
I will be taking a class this month and getting my endorsement, I want to be safe and legal. (I'm not the governator and don't expect amnesty should I ever be stopped.  )
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kacinpa
Advanced Member
802 Posts
[Mentor]
Lansdale, PA
USA
Triumph
Sprint GT
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Posted - 09/10/2010 : 11:05 AM
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Right before I bought my bike I went and took the written test and received a permit. In PA a permit is required in order to take the MSF-BRC. I bought the bike and had it insured well before getting my "M" endorsement. My insurance Co. (Progressive) asked for a DL number as well as whether you had A) No legal authorization to ride a motorcycle, B) A learner's Permit for a Motorcycle or C) An "M" endorsement on your licence. They also asked if you had completed a Safety course.
Once I passed the MSF-BRC and had my license signed off I called Progressive and let them know I now had an "M" endorsement and had passed the MSF-BRC. My rate was reduced by 15% as a result of the "M" endorsement and passing the BRC.
I would think that the rate for someone with NO "M" endorsement OR Permit would be much higher. I am also not sure if legally they would have to pay a claim if you were driving illegally when an incident occurred. |
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Cash Anthony
Administrator
1468 Posts
[Mentor]
Houston, Texas
USA
Honda
Magna 750
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Posted - 09/10/2010 : 5:27 PM
 
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Airy wrote quote:
perhaps I could insure with GEICO who doesn't ask and pray that I don't get in an accident while riding to get my vehicle inspected.
OR--you could ask a licensed, insured rider to take the bike to the inspection station for you.
Their company will probably cover him, as insurance tends to go with the driver if you're already insuring your own bike or car.
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